A little over two months ago, I covered how a 19-year-old (at the time) American pilot was flying a Cessna 182 around the world to raise money for cancer research. However, he hit a snag when he flew to a part of Antarctica that Chile claims as part of its Atlantic territory.
Continue reading: American Pilot Detained In Antarctica For Months Finally Released
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Yeah if he contacted them and has evidence of an affirmative response - he stated an intention and received permission
Surprised this wasn't in the media more broadly while he was detained
It’s clear he had good intentions and the Chilean authorities completely overreacted here.
Why is this the first we are hearing about this WhatsApp message? For his sake I hope it’s true but seems an attorney has been helping shape a narrative
While he shouldn’t have been detained for months, since it seems as though he ultimately received permission to land, I’m still not sure I buy his excuse (and even if the detention was unwarranted the terms of his release still seem justified even with this new information). Obviously, Antarctica was always going to be the most difficult place for him to get permission to land and it just seems mighty convenient that he ran into these issues (that he chose to mitigate in a way that would allow him to land in Antarctica) on this particular flight.
Maybe I’m just inherently skeptical because this whole thing seems more like an self-aggrandizing and attention-grabbing stunt that he’s characterizing as raising money for cancer as a way to legitimize his more self-serving aims. Like it just seems like he came up with the idea to get attention by flying to every continent and first and added the cancer research aspect second so he could look like he was doing this for more selfless reasons. I hope that I’m wrong and that all of this money goes to good organizations that need the money and will be able to use it well, but I’m always a little sus of any charitable effort that seems more about the person raising the money than the cause itself.
How would he have been treated if he was Chilean citizen illegally entering US territory?
End of what?
WhatsApp isn't an ATC communication channel.
For all I know, Tim Dunn could be giving permission under his alter ego fake WhatsApp account.
The victim card + good cause is working outside snowflake USA.
"to fly to Ushuaia, and land in the daylight"
-So according to his plan, why isn't it daylight yet? Failed math?
Without a proper GPS, he was concerned about spatial orientation issues
-Poor airmanship? Lack of piloting skills?
"considered his choices for an hour as he circled in the darkness"
-What about the plan to land in daylight?
-So much fuel for such a short trip, so much that his (alleged) diversion is doable.
"tried to use his radio, but couldn’t"
"Thanks to having Starlink onboard"
-He got the decimal wrong or on a frequency that's not 24/7?
-He has WhatsApp working. But not his phone GPS?
-Sure phone vs Garmin, but airmanship skills?
"he was given little food, didn’t have much access to the outside world"
-It's called being detained. It happens when you break the law.
Until proven otherwise, I hope nobody will donate to this (alleged) scammer ever again. Who knows how much scam happened to fund this trip and a shiny Cessna.
He left a Post-it note posted on a door at PUQ
Somebody wrote OK back on the same paper.
"he stated an intention and received permission"
That's what Putin said.
That's what Netanyahu said.
That's what Trump said.
That's what Obama said.
Permission to land at an airport (especially given an emergency situation) is different than having clearance to legally enter the country. Other than a few cases of airports turning off lights or parking trucks on the runway to prevent a hijacked plane to land (because they didn't want it to become their problem, or get involved), an airplane in an emergency without another viable place to land won't be refused. That doesn't mean it's legal or "okay" to do it. But in peacetime, you're not going to be told to piss off, go crash somewhere in the ocean. Doesn't mean the plane and contents including people won't be seized/arrested.
I would guess approval was given because they thought he had a legitimate emergency. Once they had more information on what he was likely up to the situation changed and he was detained.
Does no one think I'm going overboard in the comments? My paranoid schizophrenia has been acting up so I can't help but make troll responses to everyone nonstop.
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You don't fuel a Cessna 182 with a full tank if the intent is a 143nm flight. That alone raises a big flag as to his original intent.
If the visibility was that poor he could have returned to Punta Arenas or even further north. He knew what he was doing and should stop lying.
Probably very different depending if he was Josh Cahill or Sam Chui.
Would you rather be Josh Cahill or Sam Chui? LOL!
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Rich American kid wants to do something that is, in theory, out of his reach, so he does it anyway and when trouble comes parrots whatever lie his daddy’s lawyer tells him to repeat.
He knew what he was doing and there was clear intent (i.e. setting up the team in Ushuaia so he would have plausible deniability). He can suck up the consequences.
Instead of finding fault or making accusations against that young pilot
We should be proud of his safe landing
Did Columbus get any permission from any port authority of light house or
Did vasco da gama from Portugal
Capital city of Lisbon get permission from port authority in India
You have to appreciate his courageous piloting skills
Thanks for reading
Shouldn't you title this post "US pilot..." instead of "American pilot"...makes it seem like an American Airlines pilot was at fault here.
The reason he was arrested is because of a treaty amongst certain nations that no-one is allowed in Antarctic because of what they are hiding there.
The treaty states:
The Antarctic Treaty, signed in 1959 and effective from 1961, establishes Antarctica as a scientific preserve, promotes international cooperation in scientific research, and prohibits military activity on the continent. It was created to ensure that Antarctica is used exclusively for peaceful purposes and to prevent territorial disputes among nations. however this treaty was developed after what Admiral BYRD had discovered there.
As an airline pilot instructor, GA pilot & CFI and having been to Antarctica via National Geographic, this story has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. Antarctica requires a LOT of "paperwork" and permissions to go there, especially if he's flying. You don't just "show up at the door". IF he was really in trouble, he would have either declared "PAN PAN PAN" or "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY" which is internationally recognized as an emergency. As far as the comment regarding "full tanks", I'm assuming that he was not planning on getting much 100 Octane there. And...to use funds for the alleged "charity" to pay for his mistakes...low life AND is then considered 1099 INCOME! "Pay the piper!"
100%. Just one correction - you don’t hope to be wrong, you know you’re right.
I'm sure Cowgirl Kristie is busy trying find another 3rd world country because of this. And as her ad says, the runway will be your home and we'll give you a free ticked (to hell) along with compensation.
Almost certainly more misrepresentations from Ethan Guo.
Plenty of ADSB coverage on June 27th when he makes a roundtrip flight from Punta Arenas then suddenly no coverage on his 'ill fated' flight on June 28th where the best emergency option just happened to be across the Drake Passage?
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What is this "attitude indicator" you speak of.
Can I point it at strangers to see how they are feeling?
I work in the antarctic tourism travel industry and I was racking my brains as to what Argentinian base he was talking about that has a VFR / paved runway. It's well known that KGI / TNP is the only runway that would be able to take a flight mid-winter. I think he must be taking about a strip on Seymour Island, close to an Argentinian camp (not base). That's genuinely inaccessible in winter and would be close to completely dark in July given proximity to the Antarctic Circle. It's more likely the American looked up on FR24 other airports in the vicinity. Honestly he should be lucky he managed to land mid winter at KGI. It's not a guarantee mid summer.
This 'kid' ain't dumb. He's building up his profile to profit later in a book and movie deal. Breaking the law adds spice to the story. Definitely a moron capitalist or future crook in the making. (Forget all that fluff about raising money for 'charity'. You can get away with just about anything by pleasing it was for 'charity', and people of his ilk know it!!)
The kid should have his pilots license revoked before he kills somebody or himself due to cavalier decisions.
1. He knew the weather at the time; any airman will know all the possibilities. If all your potential alternates (especially in the type he is flying) are no-goes.....you dont fly. Also...wait for daylight...its less than 200 miles...quick and short flight.
2. Who chooses a 700 mile diversion to the unknown? Over water that will kill you in minutes without a thermal exposure suit. In addition to other life saving gear....and back ups to the back ups...etc. Apparently not at all.....stupid.
3. If he got permission and had a Whatsapp message...it would certainly be produced to the authorities and be would be let go very quickly....not 2 months.
4. The full tanks are clearly a show of intent. Especially when his original diversion plans would no where need that.
5. Produce the ATC radar data if available....or the phone GPS that would show the routing.....
Im glad he had his plane seized and charged a lot for a flight back.....dont donate to this entitled narcissist that is bored since mommy and daddy gives them anything they want....including legal representation in Chile.....
Also - if we want to be picky...he never made it to the mainland of Antartica....so i think he never did all 7 continents.
Hard to believe the kid was so scared of the mountains and the dark at his planned airport that he flew 700 miles ACROSS THE DRAKE PASSAGE to an Antarctic base IN THE WINTER... that he wasn't planning (lol) to fly to so he wouldn't be familiar with it... in a tiny prop-driven Cessna...really??
Seems like a nice kid from the description, but Americans have a real problem with "following the rules of other places". I'd say he was going for the stunt and checking off his 7th continent (and probably actually had no follow on plans from the Argentine base, that would be the thing to investigate).
Interesting they held him there for 2 months... curious about the calorie deprivation (his weight loss), different sized rations there or intentional?
I am curious if Ben can follow up what happens with his leased aircraft, or if he just ended up buying it when he fails to return it.
Exactly. The kid played a stupid game and thankfully didn’t win the stupidest prize of them all. I could quibble about whether or not they really needed to detain him or just quickly deport him with the same penalties as he was given now, but at the same time civil or criminal penalties in a modern country should have some level of due process, so if they hadn’t detained him and just immediately deported him instead there wouldn’t have been enough time for those penalties to be properly levied against him.
Also, as an update I can confirm he was just using cancer as a cover because he was raising money for St. Jude. That is not to say St. Jude doesn’t do great things, but in the world of charity, particularly cancer charity, they have more money than they can even effectively use at this point and a lot of that is due to their embrace of idiot influencers and other wealthy people and celebrities who want to cancer wash their money through them. If he seriously cared about cancer he wouldn’t be working with an oversubscribed charity like St. Jude or one that put so much of its budget towards fundraising costs instead of research and actual support for its patients and their families.
While you're a disgrace to your ancestors, that's a different topic.
But you are right about Colubus and Da Gama.
And your comparison would be true if the kid brought gunpowder to fight the Chilean armed forces equipped with only sticks and stones.
You have to appreciate his limited history knowledge.
Thanks for reading
Shhh.....
Byrd discovered the edge of the world there.
The biggest cover up of all time, earth is flat.
St. Jude is like the Kancer Kars 4 Kids.
Their major expenditures are marketing and advertising.
This is the dumbest comment yet! Comparing this event with events from hundreds of years ago isn't even worth replying to...but I just had to.
LOL LOL LOL LOL
The best thing the Republicans have is the CRAZY dems and the unions.
They were probably trying to determine if he saw and of the aliens that populate Antarctica.
I am always disheartened by the overwhelming percentage of respondents who attack anyone who might be reported on OMAT and Flyer Talk.
Perhaps I am naive but his story has enough truth that under the circumstances his choice was reasonable though perhaps flawed.
Almost seven continents with all donations to charity and only one more to finish the quest. A little slack?
Are you all so jealous that you mist tear down anything good that happens?