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Why Lufthansa May Refuse State Aid, File For Bankruptcy Protection Instead

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Like most airlines, Lufthansa is struggling -- the airline is losing one million Euros per hour, and the airline also has a grim outlook on when demand for air travel will recover. Lufthansa is currently negotiating with Germany for state aid, though there's a chance they may actually turn it down, as reported by the…

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(@Chris)
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How the mighty fall ?


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 Gene
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@ Ben -- I hope Germany continues to stands up to LH. Companies should never receive free handouts. "Bailouts have consequences."


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(@BarrowFlyer)
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Given how successfully the German Government is manning their seats at Deutsche Bahn, I have No doubt it's worth the 9% consulting fee. 😉


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(@Peter)
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We both need LH and BA so it all fairness whether we like them or not. So hopefully they will do a bankruptsy and the unions will not have so much power and a better LH will be there to serve us to their impressive network of destinations.


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(@Peter)
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And then with Austria, Switzerland and Belgium also injecting cash in Austrian, Swiss and Brussels Airlines respectively, they will want to make sure the German government does not have a predominant role when it will come (and come it will) to restructuring and shutting down certain operations in certain locations...


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(@martinlanden)
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@Ben,

How would bankruptcy affect all the vouchers being issued for cancelled flights in lieu of the refund the passengers are due?


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 Max
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It's just negotiation tactics from both sides.
9% interest rate leaves a lot of space for further adjustments, 2 seats on the supervisory board could become just 1 as a compromise.


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 Max
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@Martin
There won't be a bankruptcy, just lean back, relax, enjoy the staged 'negotiations' over the next few days and Lufthansa will get their will like always. German politicians have no backbone and will crave in to Lufthansa's demands.


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If a company needs money, well they have to agree to the terms given or go into bankruptcy and ideally have new management. When you are in trouble, you usually aren't in a strong negotiating position.


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 John
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Do we really want to support an airline that has named aircraft after Hitler?


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(@Steffl)
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@Ben:
I’m no fan of Lufthansa Group management (to put it mildly) .......
YOU got my % sympathy on that, just for those few words, you should win an editor price!
Trouble is, those f*ckers ALWAYS get away with E V E R Y T H I N G, one day . . . if there is any kind of justice on this planet . . . it will strike them ALL very hard 1 day ⚡️⚡️⚡️


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(@Cornelius)
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John: why not?


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@ John
Please educate me. I would be disturbed and stop flying LH but I am not aware of this and can find no corroboration.


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(@Noah Bowie)
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On paper the Bankruptcy protection seems like a good idea but what Lufthansa needs is cash by handing themselves over to administrators they'll successfully reduce costs but they'll still be at a large cash shortage. €9 billion will allow Lufthansa to survive but it seems all the German government needs to do to get Lufthansa to agree to their assistance is to stay away from the painful decisions Lufthansa will be forced to make. The German government are taking a surprisingly Italian stance towards this issue.


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@Donato - he's a troll that has called CV19 a "hoax" in another thread - hopefully an IP ban coming soon for him. Ignore the lies.


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But would bankruptcy have any impact on their SkyTrax rating‽

5*!


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(@Norbert)
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@ John. There is no plane nor school or bridge named after Hitler in all Germany so you better start educating yourself before shaming LH. Some people just can't let go....


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@Scudder
It will be a world-leading first-class 5-Star-bankruptcy! Something the world has never seen before.


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(@cargocult)
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It is typical of collectivists like UA-NYC who like to boss other people around to appeal to the authorities to ban or otherwise get rid of those they don't like. See all of communist history for examples. Also, don't forget that the Nazis were socialists.

Joey, have you ever been in a Khmer Rouge prison?


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(@Cornelius)
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"Joey, have you ever been in a Khmer Rouge prison?"

reminds me of the scene in "The Big Lebowski"...


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(@ChrisC)
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All Lufthansa planes are named after cities not people so it's impossible to have one named after Hitler


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(@Emmanuel. Madu)
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LH is my favourite airline and I like to see it back as a reliable airline.Their long haul flights to N. America is the best. Service is superb. The govt. should cut them slacks Emmanuel.


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(@M.E. SINGER)
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If Lufthansa even tip toes towards bankruptcy, what would be the influencing factors on the weaker airlines in the EU, e.g., Iberia? If a powerhouse like Lufthansa even mentions the possibility of going Bk, how can that impact other European carriers?

As EU reg #261 has failed to support refunds for passengers, whether Lufthansa goes Bk or not, it is incumbent to bring in the U.S. Senate now to protect refunds for American flyers; to prevent the dismissal of U.S. consumer laws and DOT/FAA policies re refunds.


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(@StuartP)
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@John..... LH aircraft named ... Hitler etc. What are you smoking John? ...wow must be potent suff !!


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@M.E. SINGER
"the weaker airlines in the EU, e.g., Iberia"

This comment is mystifying. Iberia is wholly-owned by IAG (along with British Airways, Aer Lingus, etc), which is sitting on one of the biggest cash piles of any legacy carrier, anywhere in the world.

Almost uniquely, IAG hasn't asked for any government assistance.

Why would you think Iberia is a prime example of a weaker airline?


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@ John - haven't got any more school work to get on with before mummy lets you out to play?


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(@Patrice Vialle)
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Been flying from Canada to Munich on Lufthansa for many years, I never take Air Canada, too unreliable, and always had great service, I do hope they survive.


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(@Billy)
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@John - if you think that's bad, wait till you discover who created the world's largest car brand, VW..


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 -JP-
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If the 2nd largest aviation company in the world and very profitable during the last past years also can't stand the heat and survive; it's stubborness and severe lack of negotiation skills! All sides included! And consequences to employers, shareholders and whole Europe are unforgivable and unforgettable. --> Yankee cavalry comes to "rescue"!


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