Delta Captain Charters A330 For Retirement Flight To Hawaii

I was watching the livestream when they were talking about this!!
Random note: that was DL 8872, but DL 8873 and 8874 tomorrow are nonstop Clark to Salt Lake flights!

It’s because Delta has more premium revenue.

the Mormon Tabernacle Choir chartered a couple ex-Latam A350s which flew from Salt Lake City to Manila and then onto Clark where they are returning from nonstop back to SLC - apparently the end of the week-long choir tour.
and the flights to MNL were in the air for over 15 hours from SLC which could be well be the longest from SLC proof that the 350 is more than capable even from mountain hubs.

If the DL pilot also chartered the 339, perhaps DL runs some really good charter specials in the winter - or the pilot is happy to re-invest his years of earnings in his employer.

@ Tim Dunn -- Did you reinvest your years of earnings with a special charter flight as well? 🙂

The full Charter of an A330-200 back in 2017 used to sell for ~22.000,-/hour!
Several Airlines were on the market then, for such flights.
Finnair, airberlin, TAM, IBERIA, Virgin and also Halston had very decent rates.
In the winter season, it's still very common to use such 100% charter flights for big Tour Operators in Europe for flights to Egypt, Middle East or Hajj Operations to Jeddah.
So i guess, this DL Charter might be at around US$30-32k/hour in 2024.
That's quiet a big total if it's really just for 1 special group of people and such a long ground time. 😮

I’m not gonna argue whether or not A350s are capable from mountain hubs. You are forgetting as charter flights they were likely carrying no or very little cargo. To make a fair comparison of the A350s capability on this flight to standard commercial operations cargo also has to be included, reducing the range of the aircraft.

you have been reading too much - or maybe not enough - of your readers' comments. Some say I was fired.

I fly lots of airlines. I just happen to know which ones are well-run. and DL just happens to be in the "best-run" category.

there is a difference - at least for me - for how I consume products and services and how I analyze industries.

Others treat their employers - which happen to be airlines - as part of their family. and saying anything negative about AA or UA, for example, is an afront to their grandmother.

I don't have any idea how many passengers or cargo were on the 2 flights but a choir of the caliber of the Mormon Tabernacle probably did have more than the average passenger's checked luggage per passenger.

And the 2 planes had seats for almost 700 seats.

And DL has reportedly told pilots that it will open an A350 pilot base in SLC

DID he fly the plane or did friends volunteer?

Thanks for the cost estimate. My math:
$30k/hour * 24 hours = $720K.
That's $7200/person for 100 people, or $3600/person for 200 people.
It's expensive, but not outrageous, for a once-in-a-lifetime kind of experience that this might be/have been.

100 guests on this flight, nice!

tl;dr

Delta pays its pilots too much.

I have no firsthand knowledge of chartering large aircraft, but usually charter costs are per flight hour, with a certain minimum number of hours per day. So it's more likely $30k x (duration of flights).

I'm sure his guests thought it was cool...but I imagine most of his guests would have liked more than 24 hours in Hawaii. I wonder how many bailed on the return and stayed.

The captain is expecting to earn around 10M SkyMiles for this charter.

Just barely enough for 5 round trip to Europe with his wife on DeltaOne after his retirement.

3 less pax KOA-LAX than LAX-KOA

Good thing he'll get to keep his non rev flight benefits during retirement LOL

Would the cost be this high if he avoided pilot charges, if he and a buddy flew the plane for free?

My mother sang in the choir for many years, the logistics of moving their gear was amazing. Sure, it's a choir and not a football team but they've still got a lot to move. Though from what I understand these new choir trips aren't the full choir but a part of it. And spouses are welcome to pay to go along too.

Sometimes I wonder how does @JonNYC even knows these stuff.

yes, it is certain that other people went along. They were gone in the Philippines for almost a week so I doubt that they sang every night.

I also would imagine they used close to the full payload that could be lifted from SLC or they wouldn't have used 2 aircraft.
Given that those two ex-Latam A350s are early capability versions, it couldn't have been full of passengers and above average numbers of cargo/bags and made a trip that far from SLC.
But if the economics suggested that it would have been more economical to make a fuel stop and crew change someplace - such as in Japan or Anchorage, I am sure Delta was asked to provide those costs to the LDS Church before signing a contract and it was worth flying nonstop. So, 2 A350s have a fairly decent payload even from SLC for a 15 hour flight for early capability models.

I think Captain Rosenkranz was not only a pilot at but a very astute investor. He is well liked by his peers. Good for him. That’s an awesome way to retire!!!

Retiring Delta pilots get a spray from Airport fire trucks when they land on their final flight (I've been on several, F/A told me, no big deal, the pilots have to pay for it); the pilots join the F/A in shaking hands with passengers as they depart.
I'd guess the Captain also had good financial advisors, likely bought DL stock around its lowest, still had faith in Delta. Wise move!

and, if he intends to start selling real estate , this is great for name recognition!

That is an absolutely incorrect statement. Pilots of a lot of responsibility and deserve to be highly compensated. On a dark and rainy night with high winds, wet runways and limited visibility and you are a passenger as yourself: are pilots really paid too much.

ZOW: It's per hour of FLIGHT TIME. Time on the ground doesn't count.

He probably works for Delta. He may as a result have access to the internal system with the flight info, manifest, paperwork, etc.

Or he might just be joking with the comment above, or another person (not the Twitter JonNYC user) might be using that name on the blog to comment as a joke.

That retro pay came in handy.

I wonder if you could convince Delta to accept a SkyMiles credit card and place a wire transfer.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a big source of funds.

If his co - pilots family name was Guildenstern, that would be even more over the top 😉

Way to go!

Another way to think about it is... Surgeons routinely have one or two (transplants or births) lives in their hands.

Pilots routinely have more than 100 souls on their hands.

Do you REALLY want pilots to be poorly paid?

Delta stock is currently trading at the same level as Nov. 2014. Hopefully he put money in other investments.

Thanks @JonNYC.