The Department of Justice (DOJ) has announced that Boeing is pleading guilty to criminal fraud charges related to two Boeing 737 MAX crashes. Unfortunately this doesn’t do anything to actually hold the people at the company who are responsible for these problems accountable…
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Prison should be off the table for anything other than physical violence. Prison isn’t retribution. Prison isn’t punishment. Prison is for people who, if roaming about society, will actively physically harm others.
What the culpable executives at Boeing need to face is capital punishment.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Individuals at Boeing (and we’re not talking peons, we’re talking C-suite occupants) DO need to be jailed. Won’t ever happen, though.
Your definition of what prison is for is cute and naïve and novel and moronic.
And by your own definition, Boeing execs belong in prison by actively physically harming others.
I'm more disgusted with the so called "Department of Justice" than I am with Boeing. Those "fines" are pocket change. And in return the DOJ shields Boeing from real accountability. Sweetheart deals are well and truly alive in softc0ck Garland's DOJ fiefdom.
This is a travesty of justice. Boeing execs need to go to jail. This includes former company executives as well, whoever was responsible for the decisions that led to all these deaths.
Boeing is literally a crime. A negligent entity, that puts profit over safety. It won't survive this. It will end up as a unit of a major US defense contractor and be rebranded.
And no wonder the last airline to purchase the MAX was El Al. Criminals stick together.
Boeing and Israel are suitors in crime, partners in genocide. Especially with the military sales from Boeing to fund killing of 15000 children.
One of two (well, ideally both) things needs to happen to fix this culture of corporate impunity: 1) fines based upon average operating revenue over a period of years and not simply an $X fine; and/or 2) personal criminal and civil liability for an offending company's C-Suite.
I can think of a good punishment for criminally negligent corporations that are "too big to fail". Nationalization.
A famous Mexican politician once said:
"A political problem that is solved with **only** money, is a cheap problem"
It makes you realise that a lot of the time, the only difference between the USA and Russia is that we speak English and call corruption “lobbying”.
Criminal rich white guys getting away with literal murder is a sh*t stain on human history.
What is racist about saying we speak different languages? He's not wrong about the grift in Congress and complete lack of accountability... most recently made famous by Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz's S&P-beating record on trading.
"Insider trading is bad, unless the insider is in charge. Then it's legal!"
And exactly how is lobbying appropriate? Since we are a two-party system, any competent corporation knows to donate to both parties, because that assures victory for the donors.
This is laughable. Irrespective of the party in WH, every AG and DOJ follows this script…settle and pay fine. As if, the fines deterred such behavior from those companies, board and executives. If an individual is a repeat offender, (s)he needs to be locked up for life but for corporations, a fine equivalent to tiny amount of their annual profit is enough.
Neither any politician now any DOJ attorney has balls to take on big companies. In an ideal world, whole board, all executives and FAA folks in charge would be put to permanent sleep for 346 murder charges.
Unfortunately, holding Boeing accountable is like holding no one accountable, the people played a key role under these decisions may already get their profit and interests left the table, and basically get what they want.
This is ridiculous and they need to actually be punished.
This is 100% proof to the world of how corrupt our government really is.
You seriously think that Musk is going to put the lives and safety of people first ahead of the company?
Guess those Teslas that mistook traffic and rammed into things were just people doing it on purpose
Great answer because we all know the government is better at it.
How about criminal charges for any/all culprits and no the company won't pay your legal fees.
You profited on your choices. You can lose the criminal proceeds when you mortgage everything you own for your legal defense.
LOCK THEM UP!
Disgusting what lightly regulated capitalism can get by with.
Boeing buys MD. MD is in Charge
Boeing buys Spirit. Spirit in charge
Engineering over financial
Corporations are not people, and thus cannot have emotion nor remorse. So when fines are the only punishment, those fines simply become the cost of doing bigger business.
Why do things legally and only make $1 billion, when if you cheat and break the law, you can make many billions more, with just a $250 million fine? You're leaving free money on the table if you therefore don't break the law!
Soul-less corporations don't care about lives lost or families devastated. They only care about the bottom line.
So Boeing's fine is about the same dollar amount as the list price of a 787-8?
That's weak. Just goes to show you that to companies like Boeing the deaths of a few hundred people is nothing more than the cost of doing business.
The best way to punish them is by taking away their money. Proving intent in a capital murder case would be nigh on impossible.
I'd also challenge the notion that prison is not punishment. I know someone who spent two years in a medium security prison for a financial crime, and it was a very, very unpleasant experience. At the end of the day you could be locked-up in the penthouse at The Mark and you still wouldn't have your freedom.
Why not both? I agree that the execs who pushed for unsafe design choices should face criminal charges for it. It also stands to reason that if an industry is so vital to the country's transportation network and national defense that it should not be a private, investor-owned company. After all, slavishly chasing quarterly returns is what got us here in the first place. As a country, we'd benefit not just from Boeing being beholden to the country rather than shareholders, you'd also get a more effective FAA out of it since now you have plenty of skilled aviation engineers in-house rather than relying on corporations self-certifying themselves.
The idea that private companies are *always* more efficient than government is laughable and mostly a US thing, thanks to right wingers spending decades defanging and defunding public institutions in order to justify privatizing them for personal profit.
Outgoing ceo all executives and two pilots who suppressed information all should go to federal prison for a minimum period ten years to 20 yrs
And Boeing should pay enhanced compensations to victims next of kin
Or her/his dependents and parents
If the dead is a highly qualified
Professional like doctors engineers
Scientists their compensation should be proportionately increased
Thanks
I'm pretty sure he was butt hurt about the "criminal white men" comment. It made him feel oppressed.
This slap on the list out to teach them that they can get away with anything, even taking lives.
Boeing is too big to fail, be held accountable
My VERY personal result, since already 8 years on this "reliable" Company and it's passenger jets.
100% NO 737 MAX, 787-8 aircraft for me!
Avoid if anyhow possible ANY BOEING plane as there is plenty others out there to get from A-B these days.
TRUST & ACCOUNTABILITY:
... if just the majority of people who are buying airline tickets would watch more closely to what they fly and what airline they choose, i think . . . that VERY unreliable airline will go back to produce Military planes ONLY again!
BOEING has played for too long with the trust of innocent but high fare paying people!
If all would choose more careful and not fly airlines that buy aircraft (unreliable and not final approved ones) even if some airlines get huge discounts or even a lot of FREE planes on top, just to buy such unreliable aircrafts as the MAX Series or 787 .... and i guess, soon the 777-X would add to that league!?
BOEING would invest a lot more in safety again!
I wish, they would have learned from the past or Lockheed TriStar planes . . . but i guess NOT?
Because, there is still people out there, who TRUST blindly!
.... in my eyes, unbelievable!
BOEING needs to learn the hard way, that's how i see it!
When a product is defective like a crib that kills babies it is pulled out of the market. It is not modified. A warning label is not attached. When a car is unsafe at any speed it is pulled off the market. It isn't fixed, repaired, or modified. 737 MAX should be terminated, pulled off the market. Imagine building a plane whose very design will cause it to stall and crash on every takeoff killing everyone on board. That is what Boeing did. That is insanity.
Get you head out of your A..ss , killing 15,000? Blame the Palestine people and Hamas .
One would have to be either extremely stupid or blind, deaf and dumb not to agree with STEFEL.
I have for some time now boycotted airlines who do not offer an Airbus alternative.
Those with mixed fleets, I take the schedule with the Airbus aircraft.
Call me stupid if you like, however, please remember one thing …. I am now paying for my own flights and cannot afford to fly private too often.