In April we learned about a major change to the world of airport contract lounges. These changes will kick in about two weeks from now, and we’ve now learned the full details of the lounges leaving Priority Pass.
Continue reading: Plaza Premium & Priority Pass Cut Ties As Of July 1, 2021
Share your questions, experiences, and thoughts below.
Can you still use the lounge buddy credit from the Amex Green for Plaza Premium or is that being cut as well?
Pure guess: Expect something from Amex to exploit this development. They may even be behind it. Amex is very interested in lounges.
Given that Plaza Premium lounges are primarily not in the US, I don't think it will impact many people here. I think the one in Dallas is the only US one at the moment? A bummer for those who still travel internationally at the moment. But this could be a small win for Amex Platinum as they will still have access, especially with the news of a possible fee increase with changes in benefits.
The only time I used one was in Vancouver (US departures), and it was a nice lounge, albeit a bit crowded (and the week before COVID shutdowns). What was interesting is that I had my Amex Platinum and my Priority Pass card, and the check-in staff used my Amex card instead of PP. Not sure if it was because it was faster for check-in than PP's machines or if they get more when people use their Amex card instead.
Wow. When international travel returns, this will really impact Priority Pass at some Asian and Canadian airports (such as YYZ, HKG, TPE, KUL, etc) where the vast majority (if not all) of the current lounge options are Plaza Premium lounges.
Ah, bummer. I’ve used the Plaza Premium lounges a few times on my international travels. Good lounges. Too bad...
I had no idea about the Global Lounge Collection thing. Do I need to sign up separately or anything, or do I just flash the Platinum card?
This makes another big strike against the value of Priority Pass. I had already become increasingly frustrated with my credit card provided Priority Pass owing to common denied-access to airline lounges that were part of the PP network or sub-standard non-airline lounges. I agree with @Ben that Plaza Premium lounges tended to be better than the average contract lounge so were an important part of the PP network, especially in Canada and Asia. Plaza Premium lounges, especially in smaller airports (YEG and Penang come to mind as two that I experienced) were a very good experience even relative to the airline lounges at those out-stations.
Bottom line for me is that I had already essentially given up on the value of my Priority Pass and this further confirms it.
ive never had a priority pass membership, but is it me, or are less and less lounges accepting priority pass, hence making it less worth it?
Lucky - it'd be great if this article had a list of where Plaza Premium lounges are.
Hopefully, this is just short-term negotiating tactic to get a higher reimbursement rate.
This is a BIG deal for Priority Pass. Expect Plaza Premium to launch their own membership product, or more likely establish direct deal(s) with some of the premium card programs. Disintermediation by it's largest customers (banks) and partners (lounge operators) is one of PP's biggest threats.
@RG1X
No you don't need to do anything. Just show your AMEX Plat at the lounge and they will swipe you in.
This is gonna hurt in Asia, where Plaza Premium lounges are good/safe PP options. Since Asia is a no-go anyway until next year, maybe us PP members shouldn’t be too worried, hopefully PP gets a new deal with other lounges.
This is a huge bummer to someone like me from Taiwan and travels to Asia frequently each year pre-COVID.
TPE: Great lounges in T1 and T2. Hot food (actually good) straight from onsite kitchen and draft beer, and always not too crowded.
HKG: Decent but crowded. Been to PP First using Amex Green credit and what a luxury experience, unforgettable lobster meal with wine pairing plus a free massage.
MFM: PP is the only lounge option, nice place to relax before departure.
More incentive to keep Amex Plat and dumping CSR for the upcoming renewal, CSR is losing big and sad to see this decline from 2016.
I pay for an annual membership (not enough credit history to get a card w/ priority pass as a benefit) and this will likely cause me to stop paying for that membership, or at least downgrade to one of the more limited packages. Just another reason to push harder for *A gold, I guess.
While Priority Pass does not operate their own lounges, the parent company Collinson does in fact own 'Airport Dimensions' which owns and operates a growing network of independent lounges (many branded as The Club @) which are increasingly competing with Plaza Premium and others on new airport lounge developments growing beyond the US. This may have contributed to Plaza Premium's decision to break ties with Priority Pass.
Plaza Premium already has many other existing partners. Apart from Amex, banks such as HSBC and OCBC have cards for accessing Plaza Premium only. Non-business class passengers for a large number of airlines ranging from WestJet to EVA also get sent to Plaza Premium if they have status. I would also guess that a significant number of passengers actually pay for lounge access, especially as Plaza Premium offers rarer upsells such as nap rooms.
Well I guess it was a good call that I just renewed my Amex plat card. I'm not looking forward to the future when they jack up the AF though. Will be interesting to see what the sapphire reserve does as a result of this.
I don’t fly to YYZ much anymore but really used to enjoy hitting up the PP lounge in the transcontinental terminal for a nice hot meal. Then I’d scamper up to the Air Canada lounge as it was the better lounge overall except in the hot food department. A nice one-two punch I’m sure many will miss.
Personally I don't come across Plaza lounges that often, so no great shakes for me. PP seems to cover the bases I need.
I read a comment elsewhere that a Plaza staff member was wondering what the plan was, given that the majority of their traffic was from PP. Negotiating tactic?
This will sting in places like India where, 1) Plaza Premium may be the only option at an airport, 2) airline lounges are only open for short time windows (totally understand when they only have one flight per day - thinking LH/SQ lounges at DEL), or 3) available airline lounges are not accessible due to flying another carrier.
The sole lounge at PNH is a Plaza Premium, and this may be one less reason for me or my wife to consider Priority Pass. But if there's more competition amongst membership lounge programs, maybe it'll benefit us as consumers?
AMEX is the clear winner, albeit probably short term, because of its direct deal with Plaza Premium for Platinum holders.
This will force other premium card issuers (like Chase) to cut their own deals with Plaza Premium, which in turn would force Priority Pass to concede higher rates to Plaza Premium or risk becoming irrelevant.
At last, PP can stop paying Plaza Premium for overcrowded and substandard facilities and refreshments. Even though I have been using PP for free through Chase Reserve, I often wanted to tell PP they got suckered by Plaza Premium. Truth be told, I've always treated Plaza Premium as the store at the gas station: pick up a few cans of cold drinks and GTFO.
I've had the (dis)pleasure of visiting Plaza Premium at MFM, HKG, TPE, SIN, YVR, YEG, PEN, KUL. Of the above I will say that HKG was hands down by far THE WORST of all due to excess crowd. Refreshment at TPE & SIN are substandard with warm (or none) beer and lousy food.
I hope this is an opportunity for PP to shine. PP access to Oman First & Business Lounge at BKK was simply unforgettable.
I didn’t realize that there are so many plaza premium lounges. Do they all carry the plaza name? The only plaza premium lounge that I remember visiting is the one at some reap, and it was quite memorable. I didn’t expect anything remotely as good.
@Mister Malibu...Was at the PEN lounge and it was substandard on food, but did allow for decent seating as our gate - which was just outside of the lounge and down the escalator - was packed. It also had cold beverages. Had 2 Carlsbergs that morning. Outside of that it was just OK.
DragonPass card scheme still has access so banks like Barclays and RBS still have access. I think some Visa and Mastercard schemes too.
Throw this out to the frequent business class flyers.
Is lounge access automatic at departure airport when flying business? Or just depends on carrier and their alliance or partner lounge availability?
Maybe they got tired of all the PP holders bringing in their friends and drinking the place dry.
On a slightly different but related topic, the Sydney Morning Herald has reported today that the Qantas First lounges are reopening today ...
“Normally the lounge is reserved for Platinum members of Qantas' frequent flyer program. The lounge will now open to business class flyers, Gold status frequent flyers and Qantas Club members.”
Quite an improvement for qf club members!
While many credit cards now offer the priority pass membership the details matter such as regarding if guests are allowed for free. Some lounges are great while others are not that good. In some airports Priority Pass does not have airside lounges. Landside lounges have less value and in other times they only have partner lounges on the international side of the airport not domestic or vice versa.
The Plaza Premium lounge in DFW is nothing like the overseas ones. Nothing very "premium" about it.
@EC2: Outside the US, lounge access for business class and top level frequent flyers is pretty standard, but there are exceptions. Some airports do not have any lounges, or might have a lounge catering to one alliance only. Some carriers have also cut down on access to third party lounges in order to save money. As an alternative, some airlines offer vouchers which can be used at F&B outlets for refreshments.
I would also argue that many lounges are not worth visiting. Crowded, run-down, windowless and/or bad quality of food & drink. I have on numerous occasions left lounges and gone back into the main terminal for one or several of these reasons.
Been in to a couple of Plaza lounges and they were ok, but certainly not worth what they'll be charging outside of a PP membership.
I guess the alternative are the restaurants PP have in their network? Anything but Dragon Pass (through a previous Barclays account), the app was awful, and I was often refused entry so it was pointless!
I visited (pre Covid) the transborder PP lounge in YYZ. It was the worst lounge I have ever been in so much so that I just walked out.
Smelled of stale food, crowded, cramped, dark....just awful.
The other PP lounges in Europe were also crowded. Not pleasant experiences.
Priority Pass is a benefit of my AMEX Platinum but I will just use the Maple Leaf and Star Alliance lounges in the future.
The Canadian AMEX Platinum card benefits are no longer worth the annual fee and I'll now revert to using my AMEX Gold Rewards card. So now I'll be Canadian Gold not Platinum!
Just when a Plaza Premium opened at my home airport - DXB....
Also, I echo what some of the other commentators said above, PP lounges were the only decent offering in many Indian airports, so this is going to sting...
Wow this is a disaster for me! Plaza Premium LHR T2 deps and the arrivals lounge is practically the only lounges I use with Priority Pass. The T2 arrivals lounge was always great for some free food and wine before heading off to your hotel room at LHR, and 9 times out of 10 there were no more than 3-4 people using it. Literally no point in me paying for Priority Pass anymore. Gutted!
I was traveling internationally for many years prior to the onset of Covid. I do not see this as a great loss. Like another reader above, I feel PP lounges are sub standard to many other lounges. Generally crowded and unkempt by mid afternoons. I will continue to have access to PP through other affiliations, but PP lounges were, and most likely will be my alternative choice in an airport.
But it will be interesting to see what AMEX, Chase, PP and Priority pass do moving forward. is this a game of who blinks first?
The only reason I have the Amex Hilton card is the Priority Pass privileges. This certainly devalues that. Will take this into consideration when my Amex Hilton annual fee comes around.
Plaza simply want to keep its upscale image since most people with PP tend to be lower class and quite rowdy (doing shots in lounges and eating food like a peasant). Thats why they kept the relationship with amex plat
Likely worse in Canada, where practically the only non Air Canada lounges are Plaza Premium.
Unless I'm reading the document wrong, it seems India is one of the exceptions.
https://www.plazapremiumlounge.com/PlazaPremiumLounge/media/PPLMedia/Landing/PR-PP-Closure-Date.pdf
If you have AMEX Platinum is the one guest limit for all lounges or just the Centurion lounges?
Glad to see the India plaza premium lounges are untouched... lacking lounge access there (because I refuse to fly Air India, the only major alliance partner) was one of the biggest reasons I got a PriorityPass.
The new Westjet lounge is good, hopefully it rolls out to other airports. Also Aspire lounges in YYC are great.
i don't get it, why will people with amex plat continue to have access when priority pass cuts lounge access with plaza premium?
So for Amex Platinum, do you just show them your Amex card to get in the Plaza Premium Lounge?
Maybe because of global warming, most Amex plat holders are not vegan and farts greenhouse gases.
Or you can find the answer is under
What does this mean for travelers?
It definitely is the case for airports I visit. That's why I bailed on premium credit cards. I can get a good Citi Prestige/DC earning rate, reasonable low-level Amex benefits and not be out too much money.
Well, Canadian premium card issuers negotiated access to Plaza Premium lounges via Dragon Pass. Chase and Citi may as well try to either negotiate something on their own or add a Dragon Pass benefit to their lounge access programs.
Are Plaza Premium lounges operated on different rules in different parts of the network? I had read here and in a few other places that as an Amex Plat cardholder, I would retain access to Plaza lounges, but in early August I was denied access to the Plaza lounge in Istanbul (SAW Sabhia Gokcen) with my Amex Plat.
I fly through SAW in Istanbul very often and I was denied entry with my priority
pass. However there is another lounge that I discovered in the international terminal which accepts PriorityPass and I absolutely loved that one
I bought a Priority Pass membership in November, 2021 so I could use the lounge on my trip from Toronto to Lisbon and then to London. Checked with the sales person on the phone if the lounges were opened and she confirmed they were. They were quite happy to take my money but when we arrived to the lounge at Pearson in Toronto, we found out that we could not get in! How can I get a refund for a membership I cannot use? Somewhat misleading to say the least. Isabel Goodman.
Priority Pass still showing Plaza Premium lounges in the app as of today which is very misleading. Showed up at the lounge in BUD and was told they no longer accept PP. Luckily they told me the list of all other options and one of those is CapOne Venture X which came to my rescue. Very useful as the flight is (of course) delayed.