An incident between an Air France Boeing 777 and ITA Airways Airbus A330 at JFK is raising some eyebrows, as reported by The Aviation Herald.
Continue reading: Report: ITA A330 Takes Off After Colliding With Air France 777 At JFK
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See I dont understand why they had to go and rename Alitalia. ITA doesn’t roll off the tongue and there is already a Brazilian airline with that name. Not only that, but they have to repaint a bunch of planes in a new livery which costs money. And its confusing for all of us who are used to Alitalia and still see ITA planes with the Alitalia livery on them. Was this name change for legal reasons to strike off debts associated with the Alitalia name? I don’t know. Another thing. This isn’t the first incident we’ve heard about ITA pilots recently. What’s going on?
I'd guess either the pilots are unaware that they made contact with the other plane OR they knew they did and didn't want to wait around to face the consequences of their actions. Either way, the damage must have been minimal I'd guess.
That Brazilian airline is defunct. The Alitalia name and brand has a lot of equity but also a lot of negative sentiment associated with it. The carrier was last profitable in 1997 and barely, before it went bankrupt in 2021 and EU laws generally do not allow a company to use the same trademark and name when they reorganize. ITA is very much Alitalia, that's true, but for a variety of reasons, including credibility, the Alitalia name had to be retired for now.
So in conclusion this whole article is about something happened, no one knows if it means anything but Lucky wants to ponder about what would be appropriate based on his "expert insight"?
To be honest, I'm not reading anything about damage to the AF aircraft (despite it being grounded for an extended time) - nor anything about evidence of damage to the ITA A-330. Given that AF pilots have a pretty crappy record as far as flight skills are concerned, I am not sure that other commenters here should be so quick to bash ITA. After all, they haven't managed to plow a perfectly good aircraft into the Atlantic from 37,000 feet for no reason aside from incompetence.
Really hard to top "Alitalia" as far good naming goes - it's a great portmanteau in Italian and has resonance in English even if you don't know "ali" means "wings".
ITA owns the Alitalia brand so probably no technical reason they couldn't use it in the same "doing-business-as" way the previous two holding companies running the airline did following original 1947-origin company's demise in 2007, so it likely boils down to wanting to make a clean start.
Your blog states "For reference, the Air France plane is still sitting on the ground at JFK six days later." However, at the end of the video, it says the AF plane left 3 hours later.
Which is it? If the AF Plane did indeed leave 3 hours later, then this sounds like another one of your click bait articles.
Very strange that no one on the ground nor apparently any passengers on the ITA plane saw the collision. I didn’t see anything in the Italian papers or news about it.
This occurance is a regulatory matter. The company ITA should be charged with causing damage to a federally regulated aircraft and as well leaving the scene of an accident.
FAA through air traffic control should have demanded the ITA aircraft return.
There is also the matter of the endangerment of the passengers of the ITA aircraft and public endangerment of all.
Flightradar24 shows no activity for F-GSPQ since their outbound flight to Paris was cancelled on June 17th.
We've seen plenty of clickbait articles on here, to turn off long-time readers, but this one is real. Although, Ben always chooses the more sensational headline, when it was clearly a hit, rather than a collision.
Another article called it a "hit and run" Which would actually be more appropriate, while still offering up the sensationalism that is craved on here haha.
Crappy or deadly?
AF crashes:
A320 - Test flight in France
A330 - Crashed in the middle of the Atlantic on a GIG-CDG flight
A340 - Crashed and burned at YYZ
A380 - Engine exploded over Greenland on a CDG-LAX flight
747-400 Overshot the runway, somewhere in the South Pacific
777 (1) Seconds from crashing into a mountain in Africa - TWICE
(2) Another 777 has the wrong weight and balance departing CDG-MEX, and the plane struggled to get off the runway. Weight was input 100 tons under actual weight.
Concorde - Crashed on take off at CDG
All within the last 20 years or so... Am I missing any from AF?
Well depending which country you live in. I'm going to guess the USA lol. IF it is indeed. Some pretty terrible crashes have happened to AA, UA, DL and other American carriers.
All countries have had their fair share over the decades.
SE Asian airliners and Air France seem to have issues.
ATC should have ordered the ITA plane to return to JFK for an inspection, period.
Crappy or deadly?
BALTIA crashes:
NONE
All within the last 30 years or so... Am I missing any?
You need to be more creative with misleading statistics, can't rig an election with something this simple.
How can a pilot not know they hit another aircraft? Why were they so close anyway? We're they texting? I just don't get it.
If there was any chance that one or both of the two planes hit the other, the ITA flight clearly should've been carefully inspected for damage before taking off for (or continuing) a transatlantic flight. Allowing the ITA flight to continue as scheduled was clearly reckless on the part of air traffic control as well as the ITA pilot. It also sounds as if the protocols for dealing with collisions or potential collisions on the runways need significant improvement. Unacceptable
ATC can't order. The PIC is always in command - BUT will have to answer for every decision. (INFO: Notice of a gound collision is always grounding until an inspection.)
AF was still sitting there at JFK six days later? That's not what the video says.
So something did or did not happen, with or without any collaboration, photos or other information. Speculation is involved and perhaps there were or were not damage to a plane from ITA.
Insightful .... not.
I said AF. The A320 was probably about 30 years ago (I cant be bothered to look up the crash date)...but there is footage of the plane crashing into the forest, the rest are all within a 20-year or so period for sure. You can google them.
My point was, AF has an awful awful track record.
I'm not sure what else you are referring to...nor is it relevant.
"It’s odd how authoritatively the ITA pilot claims there was no damage to the aircraft"
You've surely spent time in Italy before yet that surprises you?
How come the Air Traffic Controllers in JFK did not order that plane to turn around???? .
...the Ita pilot probably had a hot date waiting in Rome...(You know these italien girls..!!!.)
Not much confusion on the name of the Italian company? In the YouTube video they added "Air Italy" too.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30863-air-france-boeing-777-incident-bea-update
Very recent incident of approach into CDG from JFK with confusion in the cockpit
ITA -- TOTAL AND BLATANT DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE. I WILL NEVER TRAVEL WITH THEM. NOPE! Not an option! No safety what-so-ever! Blatant DISREGARD to Air France. And why in the hell would ATC allow them to continue!?! That's horseshit right there. ATC should've mandated cancelation and full inspection of that aircraft-PERIOD! Air Traffic Control was horrible at handling this situation. 100% unsafe. Had the ITA AIRWAYS PLANE CRASHED -- ATC should of been to blame.
You act as if you know exactly what happened, but you don’t. Because the Air France crew had communication difficulties, it’s uncertain what happened. There are no photos, there is no damage description, and der is no incident report. How can you condemn the ITA captain BEFORE you know the facts?
ATC doesn't have the authority to order a pilot to return to the airport. They advised the pilot that another aircraft claims there was a collision while taxiing. It was up to the pilot to decide whether to return to the airport.