On January 8, 2020, Ukraine International Airlines 752 crashed. The plane, a Boeing 737-800, was headed from Tehran to Kiev, and had 176 people onboard. Iran changed stance on crash pretty quickly Immediately following the crash, Iranian authorities claimed that the plane suffered an engine failure, and that was the cause of the crash. As…
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The US Postal Service should issue a new postage stamp showing the plane, a missile, and blood pouring out of the plane along with the slogan "Iran Lied, shot down plane".
Iran should pay compensation and a lot of it.
Lying by an evil, despotic dictatorship even when every sane person in the rest of the world knows better??? Shocking. Am I right China? Russia?
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the shooting down of an Iranian airliner 30 years ago by the US when there was no doubt it was a scheduled passenger flight to Dubai. Not a word of apology from the US, yet.
I am no Iran sympathiser but let's not forget history so quickly.
and yet people are still foolish in believing Iran when they say they want nuclear energy for "peaceful" purposes.....
@CK. Add north Korea, Venezuela , Cuba.. what a wonderful life in some called Utopian states where everyone is happy and have no desires of better life.
As has been pointed out by Iran, the man who shot down the Ukrainian airliner is now in prison. The man who shot down Iran Air 655 got a medal and a promotion. Just sayin.....
@Bozo Reagan actually did apologize in an interview. It's just not a "formal" apology, as politics go. The US also paid a huge fine with money going to the victims families. Let's see if Iran pays up...
Wow Americans have so much bias when it comes to Iran... My reading of these is the some lower level people knew and of course the military knew but it was not immediately reported to the government. That created a time lag and a window to make false statements because the government officials were not informed. The reason they immediately disputed missile is because some suggested the possibility because of the tension at the time, probably not because the government knew and wanted to cover up. I would not know for sure but I think it's more likely that he genuinely didn't think it was missile. He even said "why would we shot down an airplane with our own citizens" . I highly doubt he was trying to cover up.
Neither the video nor the audio support this statement: "Iran knew all along they shot down the plane." There is no causal connection there.
They may have, in fact, known (wouldn't be surprised,) but the video/audio do not prove that.
Bozo says:
The US Navy immediately announced that they were responsible and that it was a mistake. The US government didn't cover up. It paid up.
Big difference between Iran and the US.
Can you please stop making this a politics blog?
It would be nice to have one or two safe spaces from this stuff.
I'll share the wisdom others are quick to share whenever there's dissent in the comments....take your pick:
1. You don't have to be here.
2. You pay nothing for this website.
3. Luckly is forced to fly all over, give him a break.
4. Maybe you should go to TPT.
5. Trump.
6. Not-Trump.
@ Michael Bradley -
You wilting under all this "pressure?" Man up.
Ken and the aptly named Bozo and your ilk -- crawl under a rock after bestowing such praise on Iran.
Enjoy.
We do know who in the government knew what when, it has been reported:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-coverup.html
Lucky showed us the stats on the 2019 blogs. The trip reports generate no traffic outside the regular readers. The regular readers are not enough traffic to generate the income needed to write up all the amazing trip reports that keep us from coming back. All the blogs that touch politics get way more clicks and brings outside readers to the site. This is where all the money is made (well that and credit card links). I dont like it but we cant get amazing trip reports without these blogs just the nature of how the internet works.
@Will
Of course we don't have to be here but us being here allows Ben to generate revenue for himself. Just because we don't pay to access this site does not mean we are not allowed to voice our displeasure on the contents of this site. I don't pay for facebook, instagram or twitter, with your logic, users don't have any say on what goes on these platform.
Ali Abedzadeh should be the one who should wear the can for this. Not only for the deflection of the blame but even more importantly as head of Civil Aviation he should have grounded all commercial flights. Not apolitical view - fact.
"....Withholding information is bad enough, but outright lying and making something up is even worse, in my opinion....."
Wait....you sure you aint talking about #IMPOTUS 45 ?? He lies everyday.
Am I the only one who gets tired of this content? Where are the trip reports? And to those who cry “YoU dOn’T pAy FoR tHe CoNtEnt” — you are factually wrong. We “pay” by generating traffic.
@lucky didnt we tell you this about 2 weeks ago when you parroted CNN and MSNBC to some how blame this on The President of the United States Donald Trump
Politicians lie. Politicians pretending to be religious politicians lie as much if not more. Politicians running around in robes arecthe worst.
People always get the politicians they deserve and mostly elect. The robed guys were welcomed like heroes at the time.
This is by far the worst entry I have seen in this blog.
They mainly blew up their own people, I too was in disbelief they would do something so stupid.
I am not surprised how this unfolded either, we are so desperately wanting somebody or something to blame long before the facts are known.
It is a shame people had to loose their life in this tragedy.
The Iranian military was covering up the missile firings from Iranian politicians, including hiding this from the Iranian President for days until the Iranian President threatened to resign if the Iranian military didn’t come clean on this being due to the missile hits.
Obviously, the Iranian military personnel involved in the missile battery operation and the military chain of command knew about what happened very soon after it happened.
I am not sure what any Ukrainian leaking party would hope to achieve by leaking Iranian recordings.
Either way, government military and law enforcement misleading the public about the damage that uniformed forces do against civilians isn’t unique to Iran. It happens too often when law enforcement personnel in the US or India or China or UK or Mexico or Brazil kill unarmed people for whatever excuse gets accepted by some or enough. It happens too often when US, French, Russian, Israeli, Saudi, Emirati, Qatari or Turkish military personnel kill unarmed people in other countries for whatever excuse gets accepted by some or enough and then maybe proclaim “collateral damage” or “the enemy were using human shields”.
People employed by government in and out of uniform, in countries of various sorts, who use state-backed violence against unarmed civilians aren’t all saints who come out and come out immediately to publicly and loudly proclaim the damage done; many such people all around the world engage in evasive maneuvers to try to deflect or deny responsibility, whether it’s to deny it to the world or even to just try to deny it to themselves.
The 2001 movie Swordfish has a lot of great quotes but this is one of the best...
Stanley:
War? Who are we at war with?
Gabriel:
"Anyone who impinges on America's freedom. Terrorist states, Stanley. Someone must bring their war to them. They bomb a church, we bomb ten. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans."
@John K -- There are more trip reports than ever. Just click Travel Reviews at the top of the page. Not hard to find them...
Iran is such a dangerous country !! the amount of hate they hold in their hearts towards everyone is very ugly !! I hope everyone boycott them for life !!
@John K
oh yeah!
we always were dying for a review of the luxury National Express from Heathrow to Gatwick!
Just amazing reading all the comments calling out Iran. The US is one of the most prolific liars regarding government cover ups. Once you actually have a history of being honest, then throw your stones but not before. You actually thought they would come out and admit it at first? Did Russia recently? Just stop with your pathetic anger. This is the way it goes in world politics.
"Iranian president threatened to resign",
why would he do that when he was the one who threatened to shoot down a civilian airplane just days before the shooting down of the Ukrainian plane.
The plane wasn't just shot down, it was shot down deliberately. And probably even chosen out. Why? Because of the above and the fact that despite them expecting imminent attack from the US the Islamic Republic didn't ground civilian flights. Also there were supposedly 180 passengers scheduled to be onboard but only 176 victims. The wife of one of the passengers later claimed to have received a phone call from her husband in which he says "4 mysterious" passengers had either been pulled from the plane or denied boarding. No-one knows who those passengers were though the rumour is that one of them was a grand child of the founder of the islamic republic, heading to Canada where most regime officials have their second nationality.
Btw, that poor guy who released the first video of the missile hitting the plane is wanted. Rumor is that he has been arrested already.I can not confirm that.
"Iran"
Its not Iran, its the Islamic republic. There is a difference there. Big one. Just like the Nazi Germany weren't Germany.
I don't think you can claim they "knew immediately" based off one pilot's theory, as true as it may ultimately have been. Sure, they would have known well before they ultimately announced it.
I do however find it interesting how the media have called out this lie as a lie but are more reluctant to do the same with the Trump administration.
I don't understand why people go on whataboutism. Yes, US shot down an Iranian passenger plane before. That does not change the fact that Iran shot down a passenger plane. Trying to minimize Iran's responsibility in it, is actually quite insulting to victims.
Also, US not only apologized but paid millions in reparations for the families on the passengers, and did not try to cover it up. A simply google search would have shown this. People google search pretty much everything Trump says for fact checking, so they can criticize US. But when it come to criticizing Iran, suddenly they don't know how to google.
@dot: if you are referring to the Peter that responded with a statement about seeing if Iran pays up, I don’t think that qualifies him as a “liberal bozo” (I assume you Republicans feel that is some sort of insult rather than just a childish comment). But you on the other hand are proof that education and Republican just don’t mix. Try the use of you’re rather that your. The “deplorables” tag really wasn’t inaccurate, it just wasn’t a smart political move.
How can we criticize this behavior when our own president and his cohorts conduct themselves in the same way. I don’t condone what the Iranians did, but recognize that we have a duty to correct the parallel problem we have in this country by exercising our voting rights.
Andry,
Can you confirm (with evidence) ANYTHING in that list of bizarre allegations?
@Ghadir You are downright disgusting! You arabs are full of hatred. And @lucky, the US shot down IR655 flying to Dubai. How long did Iran take to apologize, 3 days, those fat US army americans has not even said ONE word of apology to Iran. Everyone should be on Iran's side right now. Iran is one of the world's best countries and the hatred to Iran is IMMORAL, COMPLETELY UNFAIR and SO UNETHICAL!! I HATE IT!!