Over the past few days, Spanish ultra low cost carrier Vueling has made global headlines, over an incident that happened onboard an aircraft. Specifically, this occurred on Wednesday, July 23, 2025, on Vueling flight VY8166 from Valencia (VLC) to Paris (ORY). Onboard this flight were roughly 50 Jewish children (ages 10-15), who were coming back from a summer camp, and they all ended up being removed from the aircraft.
What’s so strange here is how wildly different the versions of events are, depending on who you ask. Several OMAAT readers have asked me to cover this, but I haven’t done so until now, because I’m honestly not sure what to say. So let me share what we know about this incident, presenting both sides, and then I’ll share my take, based on analyzing those claims.
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Jewish children claim they were kicked off flight for singing
This story went viral when we heard the version of events from the children and camp director, who were all removed from this flight. According to their version of events, they were singing Hebrew songs during boarding, and while the plane taxied to the runway.
The crew initially asked them to stop, but then escalated the situation, and the plane returned to the gate. Police were called, and ordered the children and camp director off the plane.
The children were told they had to put their phone downs so they couldn’t record what was going on. The camp director intervened, arguing that the order was illegal. She was then restrained, and taken away. The camp director was reportedly forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and was eventually released.
Below is one of the student’s version of events. Interestingly, she makes no mention of singing, but instead claims that they had a joke at camp where one person would say “lilmod” (the Hebrew word for learning), and then they shout “mashiah” (messiah). She claims that the whole thing lasted two seconds, but then the crew got very mad and they returned to the gate.
Here’s how Israel’s Minister of Diaspora Affairs, Amichai Chikli, described this incident:
“The woman arrested and beaten is the summer camp director. 50 Jewish children from France, ages 10 to 15, were singing Hebrew songs on board. The Spanish airline crew called Israel a terrorist state and had them removed. The group is still stuck in Valencia, trying to return to France. We’ve seen many antisemitic incidents recently—but this is among the worst.”
One other detail that’s being brought up is that the captain of this flight trained two 9/11 terrorists at a flight school in Florida roughly 25 years ago.
Vueling claims the children were disruptive, causing issues
Vueling has a completely different version of what happened, and you’d think we’re not even talking about the same flight. According to the airline, the children on the flight engaged in disruptive behavior and adopted a confrontational attitude, in breach of air safety laws, which require passengers to comply with safety regulations and follow crew instructions.
The crew claims to have been alerted that the group of passengers was tampering with safety equipment, including attempting to release life jackets, tampering with overhead oxygen masks, and removing high pressure oxygen cylinders. Furthermore, the children disrupted the mandatory safety demonstration, and repeatedly disobeyed crew member instructions.
Despite increasingly severe warnings from the crew, making the potential consequences clear, the behavior persisted. The safety demonstration was interrupted three separate times, impacting other passengers’ ability to hear the safety briefing.
In response, the crew requested help from the flight deck, and the first officer went to review the situation, and spoke to the teenagers and supervising adults. Unfortunately the behavior persisted, so the plane returned to the gate, and the police had to get involved. After assessing the situation, the police proceeded to disembark the group.
The airline also notes that the Spanish captain of the flight has been at the airline since 2006, and has accumulated more than 12,500 hours at the carrier. He previously worked as a flight instructor in Florida, and in that capacity, he trained more than 100 pilots from around the world.
My take on this Vueling antisemitism controversy
I obviously wasn’t on this flight, so I can’t speak firsthand as to what happened. And even among the people who were on the flight, they have wildly different takes.
Let me start by saying that of course antisemitism is real, and happens a lot. However, not every incident involving a Jewish person is a case of antisemitism (similarly, as a gay person, I think homophobia is real among some, but I don’t assume that every time something happens, that’s the cause).
Here are a few thoughts that come to mind:
- There’s some inconsistency as to what the children claim happened; some say they were just singing for a long period, while others say it lasted two seconds, and just involved shouting
- While it’s possible it’s not true, Vueling makes very specific claims about the behavior that the kids engaged in, so if they just totally made up those claims, that’s beyond unconscionable
- The fact that the captain trained 9/11 terrorists is in my opinion a distraction; flight instructors take whatever students they can get, they’re trying to build hours, and I don’t see any reason to believe that this makes him a terrorist sympathizer, or that he knew 9/11 was going to happen, or something
- I was once a kid, and kids do act up, and are hard to rein in; I went to a Catholic all boys high school, and I remember in my Spanish class, my classmates would have a competition to see who could yell “[use your imagination]” the loudest, until the point that someone would have to go to the principal’s office
- It would require a lot of coordinated antisemitism for six crew members to all be onboard with calling the police over a non-event
That being said:
- Is it possible that the kids were actually being disruptive, but that their religion caused the crew to perhaps take a harsher stance than they would’ve taken if they weren’t Jewish? Absolutely, because subconscious (or conscious) biases definitely impact how we act toward people…
- The police’s reaction seems like a complete overkill, and I’m confused; based on searching online, it doesn’t seem like filming police officers is illegal in Spain, so on what basis did they essentially force children to put their phones down, as if they’re weapons, or something?
Have we seen any reports from passengers onboard who weren’t part of this group, sharing their take on how this situation unfolded? I’d think that this would give us the most unbiased take on this, especially given how far apart the claims are.
Bottom line
Spanish ultra low cost carrier Vueling is getting a lot of attention over a recent incident, whereby roughly 50 Jewish children were kicked off a plane. What’s wild is the range of perspectives on what happened.
On one of the spectrum, you have the claim that kids just sang for a short time, and the crew called Israel a terrorist state, returned to the gate, and called the police. Then the other perspective is that the kids were disruptive over and over, interrupted the safety demonstration, played with all kinds of safety equipment, and refused to cooperate, no matter how many times they were warned of the consequences.
I don’t know what the truth is here. Is one party just completely making stuff up, is the truth somewhere in the middle, or what?
It looks like that the French government is treating it as an act of antisemitism. The Spanish Minister of Transport called the French Jewish children "Israeli brats" - proof of antisemitism at the highest levels of the Spanish government.
They got what they deserved. Don't like IAG or Spain but well done Vueling.
Did they?
What evidence do you have.
Now the French government is making calling it antisemitism (because it was). When you have the Spanish minister calling the French children "Israeli brats" you know that antisemitism has reached the highest leels of the Spanish government.
this is an apolitical statement regarding the number of chaperones. Many have questioned a single chaperone and called into question other aspects of this saga.
Other blogs are reporting that there were 8 chaperones.
This is one of the areas that this blog has gone downhill. It used to be really about points and miles and related strategies. Nowadays there are many articles of "news" which are somewhat travel related like something happened on a flight. A while back there was an article regarding the blog. You hope people will be respectful and not discuss politics but invite the discussion with articles like this one.
These people/passengers were looking for attention. It so much like a group of American students who break into song or whatever in an airport. The surrounding areas are not your spaces.
I have been on quite a few flights with noisy groups of students, nothing of this nature happened.
I especially avoid TATL Sunday night economy flights to Germany, otherwise normal adult males all joined a beer fest and were evidently not cut off. These were adult workers finishing a vacation and going back to work upon landing. There were no police involved, that is reserved for the more serious crime of travelling while Jewish.
Hi Ben (and all). I’m a huge fan and read your posts daily. As a Spaniard (leaving in London), I’m delighted to be of use here.
A few years back, we had a lot of protests on the streets and a rightwing party ruled Spain. As it’s usual with these kind of political thinkers, they did not like that.
They, therefore, made up a new law that turned taking pictures or videos of policehumans at...
Hi Ben (and all). I’m a huge fan and read your posts daily. As a Spaniard (leaving in London), I’m delighted to be of use here.
A few years back, we had a lot of protests on the streets and a rightwing party ruled Spain. As it’s usual with these kind of political thinkers, they did not like that.
They, therefore, made up a new law that turned taking pictures or videos of policehumans at work illegal - to stop protesters uploading videos of policemen beating citizens up during these strikes on social media.
Back to the present, and even though we’ve had a leftwing party in charge for a few years now, I’m afraid that law is still valid and, therefore, the police may’ve indeed asked those kids to remove any content that showed them doing their jobs from their iphones.
I hope this helps. Huge fan of your writing and your thinking, for real (not so of some of the trolls that navigate the comments section btw).
Love, Miguel.
Sorry to hear this news. If anyone is causing a distraction on an airplane, the professional stewards have their duties to do. If they ask to stop, then they must stop or the plane doesn't go.
Anthony, what you state is common sense and not in contention. The acyual facts here are what is in contention, was there a disturbance? Was there a refusal to comply?
Many passengers that were not related to the group (and not Jewish, as though that matters) have stated there was no disturbance.
Clearly the accusation that the kids were releasing the oxygen masks can not be true, based on two points of information.
Anthony, what you state is common sense and not in contention. The acyual facts here are what is in contention, was there a disturbance? Was there a refusal to comply?
Many passengers that were not related to the group (and not Jewish, as though that matters) have stated there was no disturbance.
Clearly the accusation that the kids were releasing the oxygen masks can not be true, based on two points of information.
1, The Oxygen masks can only be released by crew.
2, The flight did operate, it could not operate if there was tampering.
So there was a lie, similar to what is historically called a blood libel.
REPARATIONS is the name of the Game! No one is falling for the 'Victims" Game anymore .after watching Israel Destroy country after country. The Settlers are Destroying Churches,Mosques & other worshipping places that are not Jewish in Occupied Territories. For the First time, Israeli Lackeys like The Huckabees (US Ambassadorto Israel ) have spoken out against the Settlers Burning Places of worship. which brings the same excuse from Israel "We are looking into it". so...
REPARATIONS is the name of the Game! No one is falling for the 'Victims" Game anymore .after watching Israel Destroy country after country. The Settlers are Destroying Churches,Mosques & other worshipping places that are not Jewish in Occupied Territories. For the First time, Israeli Lackeys like The Huckabees (US Ambassadorto Israel ) have spoken out against the Settlers Burning Places of worship. which brings the same excuse from Israel "We are looking into it". so the ejection of miscreants from Israel is nothing compared to what their countrymen are doing to others.
The camp group was French. While some kids may be dual-nationals of another country, two or three, most or all were French.
Some people have since asked if any of the camp counselors are French and served in the IDF.
In one short paragraph you crossed so many lines, it is tiresome to correct all your aggressive lies and misstatements.
1, Reoperations might be one civil solution to criminal acts of bias and discrimination. I have trouble thinking of any other method but you jump in as if to bring up the trope.
2, I have trouble understanding why you bring up Israel and its self defense actions. As far as reported, all...
In one short paragraph you crossed so many lines, it is tiresome to correct all your aggressive lies and misstatements.
1, Reoperations might be one civil solution to criminal acts of bias and discrimination. I have trouble thinking of any other method but you jump in as if to bring up the trope.
2, I have trouble understanding why you bring up Israel and its self defense actions. As far as reported, all victims were French nationals.
3, Israel is very careful not to destroy houses of worship and they immediately spoke with the Pope and apologized with a thorough investigation promised. It should be of note that this "Church" was built upon a building that was an ancient Synogogue, so now you can show your concern for the Jewish house of worship lost. By the way, thousands of Jews escaped the Arab world 50-70 years ago, almost all their Houses of Worship were immediately desecrated and destroyed with never a word from you and your ilk.
4, In ending, you again showed acceptance for conflagrating Jews with Israelis with you line about ejection of miscreants from Israel.
In short, your racism, bias and anti-Jew attitude is patently obvious. I could and would elucidate further but I do not want my post to be censored.
ISrael did not destroy country after country. Israel was attacked by country after country.
Jews are vicitims, and were discriminated against by Veuling Airlines. Even the French government is now making this act of antisemitism a government o government issue.
If kids were misbehaved why police did not arrest them. If they let them go it means pilots don't have prove . Very simple
Being offloaded doesn’t necessarily mean there is an applicable criminal charge and related prosecution. Most passengers offloaded for disruptive behavior seem to not get arrested unless it’s assault level crime or they refuse to leave a controlled/restricted area when the airline or police tell them to do so.
You're Catholic?!
A number of passengers who were on the plane have come forward and says the events described by the airline didn’t happen. The kids aren’t older than 14 so I wouldn’t expect them to be comepelty consistent. There’s also an added layer hear that the pilot was one of the pilots who trained 2 of the 9/11 hijakers. Then the Spanish minister of transportation at first apluded the removal of as he put it “Israeli...
A number of passengers who were on the plane have come forward and says the events described by the airline didn’t happen. The kids aren’t older than 14 so I wouldn’t expect them to be comepelty consistent. There’s also an added layer hear that the pilot was one of the pilots who trained 2 of the 9/11 hijakers. Then the Spanish minister of transportation at first apluded the removal of as he put it “Israeli brats” only to be called out by a French MP who correctly stated that the kids were French not Israeli. The Spanish minster of transportation than deleted his tweet.
Some of those kids looked considerably older than U14s — closer to 16 or 17 in some cases with the boys.
Which makes the relative absence of video evidence thing even more the stranger. And the “police made us all delete all evidence” claim sounds like a ridiculous excuse on its face. Teenagers are highly capable in keeping what photos/videos they want to keep or sending what they want when subject to authorities demanding photos to be deleted.
I am not sure that teenagers facing a Policeman yelling at them in a foreign country will resort to tricks. Most law abiding teens are not trained to fool the authorities when they are holding gun and just manhandled your leader. There are reports of physically touching and abusing the young female leader while she was forced to lie on her belly on the ground. I hope the police guilty of that should lose their job, pension and serve time in jail.
The Spanish police didn’t unholster their guns at airports.
French teenagers from Paris are used to seeing much more heavily armed police with guns not in holsters than what they saw when offloaded.
I’ve seen what tween/teenage boys do with their phones when the police come for them. Not all of them are naive and incapable of taking photos/videos and distributing or keeping them without it being discovered on the spot.
This lines about almost...
The Spanish police didn’t unholster their guns at airports.
French teenagers from Paris are used to seeing much more heavily armed police with guns not in holsters than what they saw when offloaded.
I’ve seen what tween/teenage boys do with their phones when the police come for them. Not all of them are naive and incapable of taking photos/videos and distributing or keeping them without it being discovered on the spot.
This lines about almost no videos from campers or other passengers in the plane and in the terminal after being offloaded because of the police involvement is given the lie by the videos of the arrested camp counselor who refused to cooperate with being handcuffed even while on the ground.
And in the cabin — like in schools — when photos/video aren’t allowed, they often manage to get photos/videos anyway or do audio recording.
Jewish teenagers in France have little involvement with law enforcement, that pertains more to certain immigrant groups in France. For innocent teens facing police in a foreign country and foreign language, I do not expect them to try to play games.
You are attempting to smear these kids with a big lie with no evidence other than your assumption based on kids you know, likely in a wholly different milieu.
@rrapynot i guess comments from crusaders and governments currently holding jews as sex slaves aren't an issue to you
Jewish playing the Jewish card, again. It gets old and noone believes you anymore. As you said Ben, if you misbehave and you're gay, Jewish or whatever, it's not homophobic, antisemituc, etc. Grow up, behave properly, and assume the consequences of your actions like we all do
To make such a statement obviously you were there and witnessed it.
If indeed you were there please add details. If, as I suspect, you were not there you are just building facts upon your imaginary and racist beliefs, simply stop.
Ben made a neutral statement, with the word IF. You made it into a definite.
Statements such as the crew calling them terrorists and a Spanish Government official calling them Israeli just elucidate the Bias and racism involved.
JD: "Jewish playing the JEwish card, again" - This is a vile bigogoted and hateful statement. What the F is the "Jewish card" Are you trying to claim that antisemitism has not gone rampent?
There is no such thing as as "Jewish card" (except to antisemites).
What evience do you have that the children misbehaved (other than the airline's self serving statement)?
Vueling isn’t antisemitic, they treat everyone poorly, even in business class. The worst airline I have every flown and will never use again.
Vueling does not have a business class. It’s an all Economy LCC. You are talking nonsense about an airline you have no idea about
They have Space One, Space plus, Space and who knows what else. Some consider Space One to be like intra-Europe business class without the service.
Nobody except Google Gemini answers considers Space One to be business class. It does not have a blocked seat and is just a seat with more legroom like the ones offered by Ryanair, Easyjet, Wizz, Norwegian and every other LCC
I’ve never been on board Ryanair, but Vueling labels their Space One seats on the plane headrests distinctly from the rest of the seats. Norwegian definitely doesn’t do that kind of thing. EasyJet didn’t do that kind of thing either last I flew them (years ago).
White Christian men are the most persecuted group. Everybody attacks us.
That all this happened in the ultra antisemitic Spain where even the Transport Minister celebrated it makes it clear who is making up stories. Shame in shithole spain
You're very brainwashed and antisemetic, since you like the atrocities israel is committing in Palestine.
Wikipedia says all 52 students were boys. Elsewhere it's reported that the lone chaperone was a 21-year-old female; I find this difficult to believe. Does Vueling sell tickets to large groups of unescorted minors?
One of the videos supposedly of a camper offloaded from the flight was a sad-sounding girl with a pixelated face talking about what happened.
Why bringing such a story and politics to OMAAT ? :(
Was the airline in their right to remove their phones with video evidence?
Not on any planet in the known universe!
Part of the problem is when they claim absolutely everything that happens or is said about israelis is antisemitism it ends up like the boy who cried wolf.
They shouldve told them where to stick the nda for a start,
"They shouldve told them where to stick the nda for a start,"
Easy to say that from the safety of your laptop @ home. Not so much when the police are detaining you and you just want to get your 50 students home again.
First, this was not about Israelis. It was about French Jews.
Second, Israeli Jews do get discriminated against.
Re-read your post. You call the French Jews "Israelis" and then say that because they are Israelis "it is the boy who cried wolf"
You sound like a Jew-hater.
Wasn’t on the plane and don’t know what happened or what intentions anybody has/had. Two points that keep coming up in the discussion that are different in Spain/EU than the US:
In general, you are not allowed to take photos of people without their consent for privacy reasons. You can take a photo of Sagrada Familia with 100s in front, but not specifically of people, for example two people fighting/arguing, candid portraits, etc…
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Wasn’t on the plane and don’t know what happened or what intentions anybody has/had. Two points that keep coming up in the discussion that are different in Spain/EU than the US:
In general, you are not allowed to take photos of people without their consent for privacy reasons. You can take a photo of Sagrada Familia with 100s in front, but not specifically of people, for example two people fighting/arguing, candid portraits, etc…
Specifically, in Spain it’s not allowed to take photos of police officers (to protect them), based on a 2015 law. Subsequent governments have softened the interpretation/application of the law, but it’s still on the books afaik and you can be fined for it.
So, the police asking people to delete photos/videos taken of the officers is not unusual. Resisting requests to do so can get you fined or arrested…
Also, the bar for removing somebody from a (LCC) plane for bad behavior in Europe in general and on Vueling specifically is much, much higher than in the US. I’ve been on a number of flights where I thought/said “These guys would have been kicked of a plane in the US a long time ago”. Kids, including school/sport groups, being loud, screaming/singing/chanting typically doesn’t even trigger any kind of reaction from the flight crew - when in similar circumstances in the US you would probably have gotten a few announcements from the crew/pilot…
I’ve been on several flights where the safety briefing was interrupted multiple times and the crew would just pause & eventually continue…
Most airlines would ask 50 children to stop singing . It disrupts other passengers .
They need to respect other passengers.
I believe the song they were singing is titled "death to Arabs"
You may believe so, but it's a lie.
Don’t these guys have their own airline?
Do you mean French people?
Yes they do. It's called Air France.
As someone pointed out, this entire controversy is the worst game of telephone. Heck this is pretty much like the online game gartic phone where users have to draw instead of speak but every iteration just gets worse and worse, completely diverting from original prompt
Antisemitism in Spain is a very real thing. The fact that the Spanish minister of transportation went on the record that the kids were a bunch of Israeli brats is beyond the pale of acceptability. They were all French. The video of the take down of the 21 yr old women is unbelievable and seems hard to justify. The fact that the children were forced to remove videos from their phones is illegal and that’s...
Antisemitism in Spain is a very real thing. The fact that the Spanish minister of transportation went on the record that the kids were a bunch of Israeli brats is beyond the pale of acceptability. They were all French. The video of the take down of the 21 yr old women is unbelievable and seems hard to justify. The fact that the children were forced to remove videos from their phones is illegal and that’s what prompted the take down of the group leader. We have seen situations like this before where Lufthansa denied over 100 Orthodox Jews travel on planes because 2 or 3 weren’t wearing masks along with 2 or 3 non Jewish patrons. It seems that Europe has a problem with collective punishment of Jews. Even if 2 or 3 kids were playing with equipment it’s hard to thinks that 47 need be removed. What’s next, three guys in the front of a plane do something and the flight attendants remove all males from a plane when they are not affiliated in any manner. I believe Vueling screwed up on this one but will debit and double down. Forcibly making kids remove videos shows culpability. It’s a clear sign of covering one’s tracks re bad behaviour. If Vueling was so correct than the videos would’ve vindicated them.
Couldn’t agree more, Mike. Disturbed by the number of antisemitic statements made on this article
Can I ask....if a government official said 'a bunch of Italian brats' would that automatically make the official anti-catholic?
The good news: we can time travel!
Tha bad news after reading the comments: it’s to 1933 Germany :(
My god the comments. Ben why are you allowing this?!
Ben is openly antisemitic and pro-Hamas. It’s been coming out more and more lately. Disgusting.
That is false.
Connor, stupid Aaron, Andrew and the other J-ew hating maggots can go straight to Hades and rot.
People who brings up witness on the flight need to watch Jimmy Kimmel.
What does that even mean?
Everyone is missing the obvious - 2 things can be true at once.
1) These kids were not perfect angels. At that age range, any group that consider others the out-group - whether it's by religion, race, politics, which sports team they support, etc - can turn into a mob and behave badly.
2) While the overall response might have been mostly appropriate, some aspects were antisemitic - such as zeroing in on their Jewish...
Everyone is missing the obvious - 2 things can be true at once.
1) These kids were not perfect angels. At that age range, any group that consider others the out-group - whether it's by religion, race, politics, which sports team they support, etc - can turn into a mob and behave badly.
2) While the overall response might have been mostly appropriate, some aspects were antisemitic - such as zeroing in on their Jewish identity and conflating being Jewish with being Israeli (or Zionist). If these were a bunch of French kids of African descent, surely the airline and government authorities wouldn't dare refer to them by race or continent of origin...
Come at me.
Vueling is absolutely lying. If they tampered with safety equipment the plane would needed to have had a complete recheck, and likely been taken out of service. That didn’t happen because they never tampered with anything.
I can absolutely see a large group of under-monitored children screwing with all kinds of things they shouldn't be. Removing oxygen canisters from behind the panels is probably false, but pulling out their own under-seat lifejackets and messing with them, I can easily see happening. That, plus interrupting the safety brief and generally being loud and obnoxious, I can see why the crew said screw it.
That's an issue of adolescent kids not having...
I can absolutely see a large group of under-monitored children screwing with all kinds of things they shouldn't be. Removing oxygen canisters from behind the panels is probably false, but pulling out their own under-seat lifejackets and messing with them, I can easily see happening. That, plus interrupting the safety brief and generally being loud and obnoxious, I can see why the crew said screw it.
That's an issue of adolescent kids not having enough chaperones to keep them polite. Nationality, ethnicity, and religion don't meaningfully affect that equation, though I'll point out that had the article not mentioned the kids religion or nationality, simply mentioning the background that the flight was taking the group to summer camp in Israel would have been enough for even the slowest mind to conclude the group was probably Jewish, which defeats the point.
Not necessarily the case. The flight safety briefing’s demonstration equipment gets dropped at times and gets put back in and used again later anyway without being replaced between flights.
Ben,
Disgusting, some of the comments here are as antisemitic as the pilot’s decision to remove the children.
You are also disgusting, irresponsible and a moron; ignoring the fact that the pilot of the plane trained the 9/11 terrorists, clearly an antisemite.
@proud Jew
Mossad, CIA and the US government were behind the 9/11 incident. Wake up you idiot. The Zionists are the biggest terrorists to have walked on planet earth. I am talking about the Zionists not peace loving Jews.
Have you had your medication levels checked recently?
If this reply will stay on air its my last visit to OMAAT. Enough is enough.
The Jewish community is the most entitled community on the planet
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Now that you've shared it, would you mind climbing back up the anti-semitic hole crawled out of?
Why would he? He gets a great platform on this blog.
*the anti-semitic hole you crawled out of?
You're the entitled one, Big Al
Both of you are speaking nonsense…
OP, him training the pilots have nothing to do with this situation. He was a trainer in a flight school, and he got students that he taught. Nothing else.
As for Vikram, that is a very silly conspiracy theory
So, you are saying these children were just singing chorus and were kicked Out? lol!, lol! It is like saying Israel is protecting it's citizen by exterminating All the Palestinians.
Nothing a Few $Billion Dollars more to Israel that won't solve the problem. By the way, this is just a glimpse of things to come due to what Israel is doing in Gaza. world does not forget!
If this is really your opinion then you're a backward antisemite and should not participate in public life
You have confirmed the reason for a broad definition of anti-Semitism. According to you all Jews are now responsible for the actions of the nation. I dare you to say the same about a Saudi or a German!
I think dansdeals posted something from a passenger on the flight in question.
Agreed the stuff about the pilot is total noise and BS. But, it also seems like the actions of the crew (and possibly the police as well) were exclusively based on (as you said) conscious or subconscious anti-Semitic tendencies.
Playing the Jewish card again.
And it works out so well.
Sometimes I wish I was a Jew/Israeli, because that will make the brainwashed people of the West to justify whatever I do.
You wouldn’t last a day lol you’d go home and cry to your mommy that mean people don’t like you because you were born a minority. Racist Loser.
Growing up Jewish in the 50's in the States, your statement is pure B. S.
For you, and all others, please stick to facts. Pulling your comments out of the ether, or your ass, either side, is plain idiotic.
Several passengers claimed that the children were quiet and didn’t make any scene.
But commenter @AHwasRIGHT69 here says no
Commentators should check their own bias's. — I find it interesting that the kids are ages 10-15. Note that the airline refers to the disruptive group as teenagers. There alone we see opposite framing of the story.
I have been on many flights with groups of teens on them. They sing, they laugh, they are noisy at times too. The airline did not handle this well no matter what happened. The airline acted abusive...
Commentators should check their own bias's. — I find it interesting that the kids are ages 10-15. Note that the airline refers to the disruptive group as teenagers. There alone we see opposite framing of the story.
I have been on many flights with groups of teens on them. They sing, they laugh, they are noisy at times too. The airline did not handle this well no matter what happened. The airline acted abusive and created trauma for these children. The airline was in charge. The airline staff and police were the adults in the room.
Nothing compared to the tragedies the children of Palestine face every single day. stop it with the constant victim mentality…
What perverse logic to excuse one injustice because another injustice is happening elsewhere
Using "whataboutisms" to excuse injustice is an abject moral failure
Did you mean compared to the plight of the hostages and those raped and murdered in cold blood on 10/7? For those that deny it happened there is ample video taken by the hamas perpetrators. Kind of hard with evidence posted by the killers. Israelis do not rape, they do not murder unjustly and they do not kill infants in ovens.
There is now an expose of the press photographing a sickly child that...
Did you mean compared to the plight of the hostages and those raped and murdered in cold blood on 10/7? For those that deny it happened there is ample video taken by the hamas perpetrators. Kind of hard with evidence posted by the killers. Israelis do not rape, they do not murder unjustly and they do not kill infants in ovens.
There is now an expose of the press photographing a sickly child that had limbs like toothpicks. They were told about medical syndromes that caused the situation but skipped the narrative.
How about the plight of the Palestinians living in the West Bank who have to deal with the settlers who kill Palestinians.
And this been going on way way way before Oct 7.
Oct 7 was a consequence of the way Palisitians have been treated for years by Isreal. Oct 7 was horrible but it is called consequence.
@Moe
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz claimed that there was no evidence that Hamas raped women on October 7th. But there is evidence that Israeli IDF soldiers raped Palestinian prisoners. Stop playing a victim card you bloody idiot zionist. The world has seen your real faces. You are the biggest terrorist on earth. Every problem on this earth is due to Zionist Israelis. They feel so entitled.
Ben - you left us hanging. What was the word shouted in Spanish class?? The yo form of the preterite tense of poner (I put)? That's the best I could come up with...
Was the plane inspected following the incident, prior to the flight?
From the airline's version, it sounds like minimum safety equipment was at risk of tampering and someone would have had to clear it before departure.
To be fair, all the passengers that witnessed the situation have said that the students were all well behaved and did nothing wrong. It’s a shame that a war in a country thousands of miles away is resulting in a massive skyrocketing of antisemitism…
Not bizarre at all. Latinos hate Jews, and have for centuries.
Mexicans are Latinos. Mexico’s recently elected President has Jewish heritage. She’s good.
This didn't start because of 50 angels sitting quietly and behaving. Kids at that age can pack and attack like wild dogs. Once they realized they were about to get in a bit of trouble, you will likely not get an honest response. I am fairly sure any video can be recovered.. Judge Judy once said you know teens are lying when there lips moving.
Except there's plenty of witnesses claiming the group did behave and zero people other than the staff claiming they didn't.
Witnesses are as reliable as the children & crew. Some truth might be recovered from the phones, but ( from experience) I would have expected a better ratio of campers to counselors . It is a tough age to monitor.
LOL and yet, Maryland, you're relying on witness testimony from the airline employees. Looks like witness testimony is reliable when it's not from certain groups of people
My assessment of this kerfuffle comes from raising children and common behavior at a teen/ tweenage. Using common sense rather that relying upon anything anyone has said. So try to reread my comment without your locked in bias buddy. Occam's Razor, I will point out again, the ratio of chaperone to child was inadequate.
You are very skilled at writing innuendo which seems real. In the real world, such as a court of law, statements like yours do not amount to anything. These are French Jewish youth that live in a predominately Moslem Country. They likely did nothing to provoke such treatment. Wild dogs!!!!
I am a Jew and in the last week multiple Italian friends posted Facebook comments applauding anti -Semitic behavior. Yet, even they did not...
You are very skilled at writing innuendo which seems real. In the real world, such as a court of law, statements like yours do not amount to anything. These are French Jewish youth that live in a predominately Moslem Country. They likely did nothing to provoke such treatment. Wild dogs!!!!
I am a Jew and in the last week multiple Italian friends posted Facebook comments applauding anti -Semitic behavior. Yet, even they did not base their opinions on imaginary behavior.
Judge Judy sometimes gets it right and I believe sometimes she gets it wrong. I can assure you she would be smarted than assume bad behavior.
@ moe packing and herd mentality are recognized social behaviors. I am sorry you were unaware of this and have taken this as a personal insult. This goes to the heart of this story.
These Jewish French kids don’t live in a predominantly Muslim country. Get the basic facts straight instead of doing the typical racist thing of overestimating the number of a hated minority group that is around in an area.
@ Maryland
The problem is that these Zionist Jews feel so entitled. They think they are above the law.
In answer to your question, an eyewitness was interviewed on French radio. His recollections were recorded. He was not Jewish, nor connected to the group. He was emphatic. The teens were NOT disruptive not rude. He gave a very lengthy interview. The teens were chanting a cheer, two Hebrew words. Hard to believe that this caused such a stir. As for yhe pilot who was an instructor at Embry Riddle. It's possible, though not totally...
In answer to your question, an eyewitness was interviewed on French radio. His recollections were recorded. He was not Jewish, nor connected to the group. He was emphatic. The teens were NOT disruptive not rude. He gave a very lengthy interview. The teens were chanting a cheer, two Hebrew words. Hard to believe that this caused such a stir. As for yhe pilot who was an instructor at Embry Riddle. It's possible, though not totally remote, there is a bias. Je was banned from working in the USA. Not merely the bad of luck of training the two Saudis who flew planes on 9/11. The Embry Riddle flight class was full. The Saudis paid him cash to enroll, according to public records and FBI interview after 9/11. So, yes, far fetched, but it's possible he has a bias against Jews. Remember, these were all French citizens speaking French. They were wearing identifiable Jewish symbols, a kippah. Why would geound crew demand confiscating phones if the kids were boisterous or damaging equipment? There were enough passengers onboard besides the individual on French Radio. The circumstances point very clearly to a blatant antisemitic act. The truth will come out.
God's chosen people making trouble again ;)
Always are
There is is. The “antisemitism” excuse to avoid any accountability for anything.
Many years ago I was on a flight where a similar thing happened. About 12 Hasidic kids about 15-20 running around, screaming and throwing food. They didn’t stop and it went on for about 2 hours despite passengers and crew intervention. On arrival we were delayed disembarking as security was there to meet the aircraft. They were all seated in the same area and the police came on board, requested they disembark first. Upon doing...
Many years ago I was on a flight where a similar thing happened. About 12 Hasidic kids about 15-20 running around, screaming and throwing food. They didn’t stop and it went on for about 2 hours despite passengers and crew intervention. On arrival we were delayed disembarking as security was there to meet the aircraft. They were all seated in the same area and the police came on board, requested they disembark first. Upon doing so the two group leaders shouted obscenities to the police. About 15 mins later we were allowed to leave. I saw the group with about 8 police and multiple airline staff. They were still shouting. As far as I understand they were refused boarding on their connecting flight as I overheard the staff say that. Not sure what happened next. Of course there are obnoxious people everywhere, sadly, however many place the discrimination card.
Once again, taking the contradictory claims of the airline at face value and confusing a past situation with people of the same demographic (jewish) with the people in this current situation.
Weird logic. My car was toned by a drunk caucasian male in an SUV full of caucasian males who were also drunk about 20 years ago. Guess that means I get to make assumptions about caucasian males now!
Two most troubling aspects of this story:
1. Camp director forced to sign non disclosure agreement to be released
2. Kids forced to delete videos from their phones.
It’s not just the story that’s newsworthy but also the coverup.
I’ve worked with and had friendships with about a dozen Jewish people and all were warm and enjoyable. I’d be happy to fly with an entire plane with them.
I’ve also been on flights with 50+ high school and college students who know each other; that’s 9th level hell.
Leave them on the flight, but let me off.
Low cost airlines are a circus
no idea what went on here, and obviously the accounts vary dramatically.
that said, *if* the part is true re: the camp director being forced to sign a nondisclosure as the price of being released, that is abusive, damning, and wildly inappropriate.
Also, legally unenforceable. Any contract you enter into under distress or pressure is null and void per law in pretty much all of Europe.
yup. elsewhere too (same for US, though a bit more onerous to demonstrate).
Yeah that bit about the NDA is the thing that stood out to me most. Clearly something happened while the camp director was in custody.
The police in Spain forcing the hand-tied camp counselor to enter into an NDA about her own arrest and thus not allowed to publicly talk at all about the incident sounds unenforceable; and the NDA stuff sounds fabricated, misunderstood or fundamentally misleading.
There seem to be a lot of convenient explanations for why there is so little publicity circulated primary evidence recorded about or by the camping group from within the cabin and at the...
The police in Spain forcing the hand-tied camp counselor to enter into an NDA about her own arrest and thus not allowed to publicly talk at all about the incident sounds unenforceable; and the NDA stuff sounds fabricated, misunderstood or fundamentally misleading.
There seem to be a lot of convenient explanations for why there is so little publicity circulated primary evidence recorded about or by the camping group from within the cabin and at the terminal that day.
Dozens of tweens/teenagers and a whole bunch of other adults on the plane and in the terminal with camera phones and so little photographic or audio primary evidence allegedly because the police at the airport are experts in quickly getting photos/videos deleted from dozens of people’s passcode-locked phones? Sounds an implausible explanation for this incident’s relative lack of visual, audio, audio-visual evidence.
Sorry but they are playing the race card. They were disruptive and it’s nothing to do with them being Jewish. It just so happens they were. So the crew should have ignored it ? I’m also aware of other incidents involving groups of Hasidic kids being extremely disruptive. Most European airlines prohibit filming for privacy reasons and in many countries it’s illegal without express permission of the person being filmed, such as France. People don’t...
Sorry but they are playing the race card. They were disruptive and it’s nothing to do with them being Jewish. It just so happens they were. So the crew should have ignored it ? I’m also aware of other incidents involving groups of Hasidic kids being extremely disruptive. Most European airlines prohibit filming for privacy reasons and in many countries it’s illegal without express permission of the person being filmed, such as France. People don’t want to be filmed and have their images all over social media. It’s not the USA.
You are aware that the eyewitnesses on the plane stated the children were NOT disruptive?
BS. You know that
I don't know that and I would certainly take an unrelated eyewitness passenger's report of what occurred on that flight over some keyboard warrior who has no idea what happened.
Ironically if it was any other race or religion but the Jews all the commenters here would have been outraged. But when it’s the Jews, how dare they???
That simply isn’t true, “Aaron”.
Icarus, you often seem to be the expert on criticizing Jewish people. You have not stated that you were present at this situation yet you speak with supposed facts.
1, It is not clear whether they were indeed disruptive. Eyewitnesses (non Jewish) have been interviewed by the French press that say they were well behaved.
2, Your incident of Hassidic kids being disruptive has nothing to do with this situation. I would bet...
Icarus, you often seem to be the expert on criticizing Jewish people. You have not stated that you were present at this situation yet you speak with supposed facts.
1, It is not clear whether they were indeed disruptive. Eyewitnesses (non Jewish) have been interviewed by the French press that say they were well behaved.
2, Your incident of Hassidic kids being disruptive has nothing to do with this situation. I would bet these kids are Jews of Arab backgrounds attending a co-ed experience. This is far apart from Hassidic Jews, as if it really matters.
3, The public takedown and physical touching and abuse of the leader brings to mind the United/Dao incident.
4, The lecturing by crew stating that Israel is terrorist clinches the story, the kids were not Israeli but simply travelling while Jewish.
Unfortunate you're not including the testimony of multiple other passengers on the flight have stated the kids were respectful and did nothing wrong.
You're also ignoring the fact that the crew forced the kids to delete videos, essentially confirming that they knew they were at fault.
And what about the fact that the French foreign ministry is demanding answers? Hardly a government that is known for fighting antisemitism, their vichy president just announced they'd recognize...
Unfortunate you're not including the testimony of multiple other passengers on the flight have stated the kids were respectful and did nothing wrong.
You're also ignoring the fact that the crew forced the kids to delete videos, essentially confirming that they knew they were at fault.
And what about the fact that the French foreign ministry is demanding answers? Hardly a government that is known for fighting antisemitism, their vichy president just announced they'd recognize Palestine while Hamas holds hostages for Christ's sake.
The idea that a crew full of European young people are also antisemites is not surprising in the least.
Hamas doesn’t exist in the West Bank, so equating all of Palestine with Hamsas is just dumb.
Hamas definitely exists in the West Bank lol they’re just not controlling it like they control Gaza. Your comments kinda make sense now if that’s how well you know the region.
Hamas doesn’t exist as an active force in any way. Your own comments show how ignorant you are of the whole situation, “Aaron”.
Hamas as a body as an active militia force. You really don’t understand how the Middle East works, do you, “Aaron.”
I know how it works far better than you do, that’s for sure.
I’m sure Lucky can see what email and IP address you are using…wonder if it lines up with anyone posting on here…
I lived in the Middle East for 25 years, my guess is that you got your info from TikTok. You are a pretty good aspiring investigator, though, “Aaron”
Hamas absolutely exists i nthe West Bank as an active force. Aaron (or one of hte Aarons) has absolutely NO idea what he is talking about.
There is actual testimony of non affiliated passengers available on YouTube who say that the children were very quiet on the plane.
Though there are people who say they heard reports of children saying “death to Arabs” , there is no such direct testimony available anywhere.
There must have been at least 50 other passengers on the plane. The truth come out.
One thing we know for certain is the Foreign Minister...
There is actual testimony of non affiliated passengers available on YouTube who say that the children were very quiet on the plane.
Though there are people who say they heard reports of children saying “death to Arabs” , there is no such direct testimony available anywhere.
There must have been at least 50 other passengers on the plane. The truth come out.
One thing we know for certain is the Foreign Minister of Spain called these French Jews “Israeli brats “ in a written statement. This alone is antisemitism
@ Sam -- Do you have a link? I haven't been able to find it, so would of course like to see that. Thanks!
@ Ben
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-862403
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/artc-spanish-minister-calls-french-jewish-teens-kicked-off-flight-israeli-brats
https://vinnews.com/2025/07/27/spains-transport-minister-faces-backlash-over-israeli-brats-remark-about-french-jewish-teens/
@ David -- Sorry, I saw that comment, and agree that's completely inappropriate. I was wondering about the eyewitness reports from other passengers.
@ben
Dansdeals has some of the reports from some of the other passengers here:
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/vueling-kicks-50-jewish-campers-off-flight-what-happened/
Issue is these are people “claiming” to be passenger, none of them are verified passengers. This is something a reputable news site would be first verifying with a boarding pass or something before posting
The entire dansdeals article is one sided with a lot of context left out, especially for the pilot situation.
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/vueling-kicks-50-jewish-campers-off-flight-what-happened/
@David
You're a clear example of media bias. You're looking for echo chambers.
"Niñato" doesnt mean brat. It means, in a slightly offensive way, an inmature perso. Brat would be "maleducado". Bad choice of words, imho. When you are between 10 and 15 you are actually entitled to be a niñato. Thats why there should be an adult with you, just in case you decide to behave like a maleducado.
I think the point that Sam was making is that inaccurately and likely intentionally describing a group of Jewish teenagers from France as "Israeli" (when, to be clear, their nationality was French, not Israeli) is antisemitic in that it conflates the actions of Israel (a sovereign nation with a government that makes decisions with which one can agree or disagree) with Jews (a people who live all over the world).
Where is that written statement from the Spanish foreign minister? Looking for primary evidence that is directly from the Spanish foreign minister.
I haven’t seen it yet.
The Spanish Foreign Minister said no such thing as claimed by Sam above.
This is worse than a bad game of telephone. The initial claim about “Israeli brats” being said was assigned to the transport minister, but I can’t find primary evidence of that or if that was a result of the Israeli government getting involved in the matter even as the French government were already involved.
@GUWonder - the transport minister took down the tweet like the coward he is. But you can see a screenshot of it here:
https://x.com/simonwiesenthal/status/1948874717605363851
Were other passengers questioned ? What did they observe? Seems that part is missing here.
From my experiences Jewish people feel very entitled always flying the holocaust flag and the victim flag, being obnoxious. When they are told to stop they escalate and throw in the Jewish card. That has to stop.
Making a sign of the cross before the flight seems to be ok quietly with out drawing attention. A muslim man saying...
Were other passengers questioned ? What did they observe? Seems that part is missing here.
From my experiences Jewish people feel very entitled always flying the holocaust flag and the victim flag, being obnoxious. When they are told to stop they escalate and throw in the Jewish card. That has to stop.
Making a sign of the cross before the flight seems to be ok quietly with out drawing attention. A muslim man saying a prayer with outstretched hands and people freak out and call it terrorism. Orthodox Jews putting robes on and bands and praying at the back of an aircraft before takeoff, during the flight, and before landing can be a bit much. It's ok to practice religion quietly and subtly so as to not disturb other passengers or draw attention.
I'm an Armenian Catholic. My people were persecuted by the Turks but I don't go crazy waving my Armenian genocide flag when I'm with a bunch of other Armenians. Why is it that the Jews feel like they can always do this - AND get a way with it?
I support Israels right to exist
I support a homeland for the Palestinians
Being pro Palestine is NOT Anti-Semitic
And there you have it, ladies and gentleman. Only took 70 comments to go full, unapologetically, antisemitic. Great job everyone, Ben too!
How does one tamper with oxygen masks that deploy in case of pressure loss?
Jewish lasers, duh
Oh Lord…
The comments here are disturbing. Happy 9/11 didn’t happened today since the majority of people here would just blame the Jews and refuse to acknowledge that some people, including this airline crew, are just hateful people.
What a dumb thing to say.
*asks chatGPT if the Jews did 9/11*
Then why did you say it
Those last 2 comments were even dumber than your first one, “Aaron”.
There is only one Aaron
Nah, you’re just someone else posting on here. Lucky can verify I’m the one who has been posting on here for years. You? Not so much.
I don't know what happened and probably never will. What I do know is the differences in stories among parties in a "they said, they said" scenario can vary amazing amounts. Two important points for me is Ben's: "[i]t would require a lot of coordinated antisemitism for six crew members to all be onboard with calling the police over a non-event," coupled with they had to take the more serious step of returning to a gate.
I was not there, neither were you. I can say that working and traveling for decades you are WRONG. Co-workers always tend to back each other up. The focus here should be on hard evidence such as video and voice recordings.
The fact that the crew did state that Israelis are terrorists in this situation probably meets all standards of bias and anti-Semitism. Seemingly none of the parties were Israeli!
Gary is obviously uncritically parroting this narrative literally began by Israeli government propagandists for clicks. Again, this narrative has obviously been concocted by the Israeli government to try to delegitimize the Spanish government’s recognition of the Gaza genocide.
It’s difficult to continue to take “concerns” of antisemitism seriously when these people weaponize the label for their own ends. Gary for clicks, and the Israeli government to legitimize the ethnic cleanzing and murder of an...
Gary is obviously uncritically parroting this narrative literally began by Israeli government propagandists for clicks. Again, this narrative has obviously been concocted by the Israeli government to try to delegitimize the Spanish government’s recognition of the Gaza genocide.
It’s difficult to continue to take “concerns” of antisemitism seriously when these people weaponize the label for their own ends. Gary for clicks, and the Israeli government to legitimize the ethnic cleanzing and murder of an entire people.
You could have just written “it’s the Jews’ fault” would have saved you some precious typing time
Nobody is saying that.
You just did
Nice try, “Aaron”.
Who on earth is Gary?
@VirginFlyer - you're better off not knowing who Gary is
Viiewfromthewing.com blogger Gary Leff.
What’s with the lack of onboard video? Everyone had a smart phone and every account suggests the disturbance because video worthy at some point. Is that unusual in flight disturbance situations?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the airline threatened all passengers to remove the video to destroy the evidence.
Ben - maybe you can comment on the "rumor" that the pilot (who you acknowledge as having served as a flight instructor) might have played a small role in the training of the 9/11 suicide pilots?
... I know, crazy
@ michael -- I addressed that in the post:
"One other detail that’s being brought up is that the captain of this flight trained two 9/11 terrorists at a flight school in Florida roughly 25 years ago."
He did comment and that is irrelevant. He was an instructor in a flight school and you teach whatever students you get. That has nothing to with anything the student ends up doing other then their piloting skills
just saw the comment on the re-read..... it is an interesting facet to this strange story
btw - I have been getting more and more "server" errors on your site - maybe you are getting to popular need an upgrade?
@ michael -- Yeah, it's an incredibly strange detail, no doubt... what are the odds?
But I see absolutely no scenario where that's anything but a coincidence. Flight instructors are desperate for students to build up hours. It's not like the terrorists would've somehow gotten him in on the scheme, or anything.
Sorry for the website errors, some things are being tested right now in the background, and that leads to some temporary error messages....
@ michael -- Yeah, it's an incredibly strange detail, no doubt... what are the odds?
But I see absolutely no scenario where that's anything but a coincidence. Flight instructors are desperate for students to build up hours. It's not like the terrorists would've somehow gotten him in on the scheme, or anything.
Sorry for the website errors, some things are being tested right now in the background, and that leads to some temporary error messages. Should be fixed soon, thanks for your patience!
Not so fast! The 9/11 terrorists arrived at the school and insisted to be assigned to this instructor. Not many instructors would agree to train students to fly without any landing training. Something was going on there and that explains why I understand this pilot is not permitted to fly in the USA.
Lesson learned: Next time live stream the whole thing or video call a trusted friend and ask them to download the video.
As far as I'm concerned, the crew proved themselves wrong by making a completely unreasonable request to delete a video that would supposedly prove their innocence.
@ Samo -- Yeah, it would certainly be helpful if we had video evidence of what happened. Maybe I missed something, but I thought the police forced them to delete the videos, and not the crew? Am I wrong?
Any kids (from any background) that deem it acceptable to chant and/or sing on an aircraft are very probably the same kids that would also tamper with safety equipment in jest, interrupt safety briefings to get their friends to laugh, etc... so while there are two sides to every story it is stacking up to be that the kids were largely to blame, and then conveniently started throwing around the term antisemitism to generate sympathy.
Or maybe they did what teens do and the fact that they’re Jewish was a good excuse for the crew and the 9/11 pilot
@ Lumiere -- 9/11 pilot? I'm curious, what are you actually trying to suggest?
That they didn’t like having a group of Jewish kids on their flight and were looking for excuses to kick them? Didn’t the pilot have a Palestinian flag in the cockpit too?
Is there any proof of that?
It's a stretch to believe that coincidentally all the crew and pilots that ended up on this Vueling flight are all anti-Semites.
There are witness testimonies emerging slowly. I've heard several in French where witnesses that have nothing to do with this camp have been saying that the kids did absolutely nothing wrong. When you hear from the kids directly, they do have consistent stories about what the flight attendants said. They were asked about their nationality and even some of the Spanish Civil guards made comments like "I know some of you are a Israeli."
...There are witness testimonies emerging slowly. I've heard several in French where witnesses that have nothing to do with this camp have been saying that the kids did absolutely nothing wrong. When you hear from the kids directly, they do have consistent stories about what the flight attendants said. They were asked about their nationality and even some of the Spanish Civil guards made comments like "I know some of you are a Israeli."
Even if some of the kids were a bit rowdy, which at this point I doubt, the fact that the Spanish police would even speculate or reference Israeli citizenship shows a premeditated bias.
Also we're talking about teenagers who can control themselves on a flight. And going one further, I tend to believe that these kids know that they are always under scrutiny and would have acted appropriately.
Some witnesses are also saying some of the kids were chating “Death to Arabs”.
I heard a rumor that you cheered during 9/11. Doesn’t make it true but help framing the story of you supporting the airline.
You seem like a person who 80 years ago would say “well the Jews had it coming”
You’re right it makes no sense
@Largi
My point seems to have pole vaulted over your head.
@Miton
What an asinine thing to say.
@Aaron
What makes no sense?
Is it even possible to tamper with an overhead oxygen mask? I thought those only deploy in case of depressurization?
Not really, this airline is shady
How is the airline shady?
Today it’s the Jews, tomorrow it’s other groups. And the pilot will work extra hours to make sure all of Europe turns into a Caliphate. We’re already half way there.
Oh please what nonsense.
Here are two problems, the two videos you linked are from A) a Likud politician who is known for being staunchly sectarian B) an activist who is pro Israel, anti Gaza and known for talking all kinds of disgusting things about Palestinians
Not good sources to feature
All the big voices of anti semitism are originating from this camp. For all purposes there is no coverage of all these so called third party...
Here are two problems, the two videos you linked are from A) a Likud politician who is known for being staunchly sectarian B) an activist who is pro Israel, anti Gaza and known for talking all kinds of disgusting things about Palestinians
Not good sources to feature
All the big voices of anti semitism are originating from this camp. For all purposes there is no coverage of all these so called third party accounts defending the 50 Jewish pax by any reputable news organizations
I will get attacked by some bozos here as anti semite but i am being logical here and it is really sad how logic is being thrown out the window here
@ Eve: you are 100% right. Thank you.
And since the topic is antisemitism—for all those wondering why some people are gasping so hard they’re literally sucking the oxygen out of the atmosphere at the comments here, and why, of all things, they’re calling on Ben not to allow or even open the comment section—here is your answer:
We are living in an age so f***ed-up, so deranged, so morally bankrupt, that it resembles...
@ Eve: you are 100% right. Thank you.
And since the topic is antisemitism—for all those wondering why some people are gasping so hard they’re literally sucking the oxygen out of the atmosphere at the comments here, and why, of all things, they’re calling on Ben not to allow or even open the comment section—here is your answer:
We are living in an age so f***ed-up, so deranged, so morally bankrupt, that it resembles a dystopian hellscape! Where the wholesale slaughter of over 60,000 children, women, and elderly civilians, and the total annihilation of entire cities, fails to provoke even the faintest murmur of condemnation.
Not a whisper of outrage. Not a goddamn flicker.
This is not mere hypocrisy, it is hypocrisy in its purest, most grotesque form. It is raw, unvarnished, unapologetic colonial savagery.
What we are witnessing in Palestine is the clinical execution of a genocidal settler-colonial project, carried out with brutal precision and total impunity.
And let us be clear, this was not born in a vacuum.
The Israeli Hasbara machine and Israeli lobbies in the US and Europe, in perfect calligraphy over decades, have orchestrated a campaign so sinister, so cunning, that it exploits the Holocaust and weaponises antisemitism to serve the geopolitical interests of the Israeli state.
Let’s not forget: modern antisemitism was, and remains, a white European Christian pathology, culminating in the industrialised barbarism of the Nazi Holocaust. The Middle East and beyond - while not innocent of prejudice and antisemitism - played no role in the centuries-long arc of mostly European Jewish suffering, from the Spanish Inquisition to the gas chambers of 1945.
The masterstroke of Hasbara propaganda has been the reduction of all criticism into four manipulated labels: self-defence, right to exist, antisemitism, and blood libel.
Any faint critique - of the occupation, of apartheid policies, of systemic dehumanisation of Palestinians, of relentless settler expansion and violence, or of the genocidal onslaught in Gaza - is instantly met with manufactured outrage.
Dare to question - even mildly?
And you will be branded a Jew-hater, an antisemite, and accused of blood libel.
They will shout self-defence.
They will invoke the right to exist.
You will be demolished, your character assassinated, your voice exiled from public discourse - cancelled, deleted, vanished beyond the sun.
Dare to differ, at your peril.
Oscar Puente, Spain’s Minister for Transport and Sustainable Mobility, has posted to X, calling on Spanish patriots to stand with Vueling over the “Israeli brats.”
They’re not Israeli. They’re Jewish. But for antisemites, every Jew is an Israeli. So much for anti-Zionism not equal antisemitism.
Anti-Zionism does not equal antisemitism because not every Jewish person is a zionist, and not every zionist is Jewish.
Thanks for mansplaining that but you’re missing the point. The difference between Jews and Israelis don’t really bother the people who burn synagogues and graffiti swastikas on Jewish businesses “in the name of Palestine” but I really do appreciate the lesson.
The difference between those who normally paint swastikas (and even in many cases attack synagogues) and those who does things in the name of Palestine is that the former hate both Jews and Palestinians. You are mixing up Neo Nazis/white supremacist with completely unrelated groups
Oh trust me, pro-Palestinians can graffiti swastikas too. They can also justify the holocaust as we recently found out.
And Jews, Israelis, and people who aren’t either have no problem committing similar crimes against Palestians in the diaspora…to paint all pro-Palestinian people as being antisemtic is just ignorant and a pathetic and outdated way to weaponiE antisemitism.
No one painted ALL of them as such, but you know when they get shot in DC, killed in MN, burnt in PA, it’s not exactly rabbis who do it.
Some rabbis have said horrible things abour Palestinians. What’s your point?
I don’t want to hear any comments from an Israeli government minister on the treatment of children.
Israel has nothing to do with this. They’re Jewish, not Israeli. Unless you think every Jew is an Israeli and that would make you not just racist but also incredibly ignorant.
Well the videos linked in this article are from an Israeli politician and an Israeli pro Israel and anti Palestinian activist….
Maybe because if a French politician dares defend Jewish kids they’d risk getting hurt by a pro-Palestinian mob?
Oh please.
you are so privileged it’s hilarious
How is anyone privileged, “Aaron”?
Because no one will kick you off a flight for your religion, “Aaron”
They might due to my ethnicity. Sorry to reverse uno, fake Aaron.
They are using "Israeli" as a descriptor for the government minister that is commenting on this. And factually, they are in fact Israeli. No one said these people involved are Israeli.
@ken Thanks for clarifying. Clearly you actually read the article and understood my comment.
Considering any criticism of Israel's government gets you accused of being anti semetic, are they really that different?
@jason D. If you read Ben’s article, you’d know that he quoted an Israeli government minister who complained about the treatment of these children. Read the article before you comment.