Some Delta Air Lines employees are learning the hard way that what they write online can have consequences in real life, as reported by JonNYC. Then again, this just gets at a much bigger issue with our society, about division, how we communicate, etc.
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Delta punishes employees for violating social media policy
On Wednesday, September 10, 2025, we saw the murder of Charlie Kirk, an outspoken political activist, during an event at a college in Utah. No matter how much we may disagree with someone, nobody deserves to have their life taken because they have a different view than us. Worst of all, Kirk has two young children, who now have to grow up without a father due to someone else’s horrible decision.
The internet isn’t exactly a friendly place, and as you’d expect, Kirk’s death has elicited a wide range of responses, from sympathy to glee.
Most major companies have social media policies that dictate how employees can act online. Some people have been seeking out inappropriate comments directed toward Kirk online, and have been reporting them to employers. Along those lines, Delta is the first airline that seems to be taking action in this regard, or at least addressing this on a widespread basis.
These comments aren’t at all hard to find — just go to any social media platform, and search “Charlie Kirk Delta,” or something, and you’ll likely see them.
Delta CEO Ed Bastian has just issued the following memo to employees regarding this, indicating that some employees have been suspended, and termination is a possibility as well:
“No one better connects the world” isn’t just a catchphrase — it’s our mission. For 100 years, Delta people have been known for our spirit of service, making the world better one customer at a time.
Whether we’re in uniform and on the clock, online or out in public, our colleagues, customers and communities expect us to reflect Delta’s values — integrity, care and servant leadership — that we hold dear.
This week we were made aware of Delta employees whose social media content, related to the recent murder of activist Charlie Kirk, went well beyond healthy, respectful debate. These social posts stand in stark contrast to our values and our social media policy, and these employees have been suspended pending an investigation. Violations of our social media policy can carry meaningful consequences, including termination.
Remember that we all represent Delta, at all times, in any forum. It’s essential that we act in ways that uphold our shared values and the human connection that defines us.
Thank you for all you do, every day, to take care of our customers and each other.
The internet is really becoming a very dark place
I don’t blame Delta for enforcing its social media policy. As a matter of fact, it’s something the airline should do. Unfortunately the internet just brings out the worst in people, and for whatever reason, many people can’t help themselves. People should just follow a simple rule — if you’re using identifying information online, assume that your employer will see what you post, and ask yourself if they’d be fine with it.
The thing is, many of these Delta employees aren’t necessarily openly putting in their social media bios that they work for the airline, and they aren’t claiming to be company representatives. But they’ll have a picture or two in uniform somewhere in their feed, and they seemingly don’t realize that this connects them to the company. C’mon, folks, use common sense!
The internet, and particularly social media, has just become such a dark and unpleasant place. There’s more effort put into finding division than common ground.
The irony is of course that the people who are most aggressively reporting people to employers for what they write online are the same people who post the most controversial and offensive things when something similar on the other side happens.
It’s not that they’re upset that someone is being insensitive, but they’re upset that someone is disagreeing with them, and they want to find any way possible to punish them for that. And let me be clear, that’s not exclusive to any one side, and it happens across the political spectrum.
In the United States we have free speech, but of course that doesn’t mean that what you see is free of consequences. The consequences are of course the biggest if you use your real name, you work for someone else, etc.
I think this is also why the internet is becoming a worse place by the day. The above reality essentially encourages people to use anonymous accounts, and that only emboldens people to be their worst, loudest, and most controversial self.
The only people who can non-anonymously say super hateful things online without consequences are those who literally make a living doing that. Then oddly, you have people like Elon Musk claiming that if you’re “unfairly treated” by your employer due to something you posted online, he’ll fund your legal bills, with no limit.
Bottom line
Delta is taking action against employees who have violated the company’s social media policy, following the murder of Charlie Kirk. It’s a good reminder that free speech doesn’t mean that what you say is free of consequences.
Delta has a social media policy, and the company is within its rights to enforce that. I just wish the internet weren’t evolving the way it was. There’s little sense of objective ethics or right vs. wrong anymore, and instead, it’s all about punishing those with different opinions. And again, I think that applies across the spectrum.
What do you make of Delta enforcing its social media policy?
The left lacks morals, decency, and decorum. You cannot ask much from a culture that erases God from their lives and has made self pleasure their lord. But the mere fact that they just can’t keep silent or celebrate in solitude shows just how unhinged they really are.
The Bible doesn't have a problem with slavery, genocide, and the killing of homosexuals. Take your fake morals and shove them anywhere you can get self pleasure from them. Also, Trump is in the Epstein files and you're in a cult.
Libs embraced cancel culture and now they whine when it affects them.
I wonder what people would say on line if their name, phone number, address, picture and e-mail were published along with the post.
Maybe society would embrace a bit of decorum and wisdom. Maybe.
Currently it's just an excuse to go ugly.
We're just posting Kirk's own words. If you're that offended by it, why are you fanboying for him?
Charlie is greater than 100 braindead lefties and his death has been a wakeup call to normal Americans.
"Remember that we all represent Delta, at all times, in any forum. It’s essential that we act in ways that uphold our shared values and the human connection that defines us."
So why are they paying employees for 40hr week and not for 168 hours?
Glad someone else pointed this out. Buried under everyone else is this perverse assertion that our employers own all of us while we work for them
They do and they should. They're paying you after all and expect you to act responsibly.
If you don't or won't they have every right in the world to kick you on the street. You're just too stupid to get it.
Delta seems to care a whole lot more than I could ever do about what their employees do in their private life. I don't know (or care) if some random poster works for Delta or any other airline.
They appear to have crossed the line here, and need to suck it up that others may have views contrary to theirs.
Having said that, I think it is prudent not to go off the...
Delta seems to care a whole lot more than I could ever do about what their employees do in their private life. I don't know (or care) if some random poster works for Delta or any other airline.
They appear to have crossed the line here, and need to suck it up that others may have views contrary to theirs.
Having said that, I think it is prudent not to go off the deep end and post opinions which may be at variation to 'the hand that feeds you'. Life isn't fair all the time.
There is a massive difference between celebrating justice applied to a known murdering terrorist such as Osama Bin Laden or Yahya Sinwar (who murdered 1400 innocent people) and murdering Charlie Kirk whose "crime" was sitting down with people and discussing current events or whatever the person wanted to discuss.
People cannot see the difference between calm discussion and murderous terrorism and are celebrating their murder as equal have no conscience and are beyond hope.
There is a massive difference between celebrating justice applied to a known murdering terrorist such as Osama Bin Laden or Yahya Sinwar (who murdered 1400 innocent people) and murdering Charlie Kirk whose "crime" was sitting down with people and discussing current events or whatever the person wanted to discuss.
People cannot see the difference between calm discussion and murderous terrorism and are celebrating their murder as equal have no conscience and are beyond hope.
People who do not know the difference between Fascism and discussion are dupes to evil forces.
well said!
There is a massive difference between celebrating justice applied to a known murdering terrorist such as Osama Bin Laden or Yahya Sinwar (who murdered 1400 innocent people) and murdering Joseph Goebbels whose "crime" was sitting down with his fellow Germans and discussing current events or whatever the Reich approved for discussion.
People cannot see the difference between vitrolic discussion (empowered by genocidal states with centuries of violence) and murderous terrorism (hypocritical occupiers and their...
There is a massive difference between celebrating justice applied to a known murdering terrorist such as Osama Bin Laden or Yahya Sinwar (who murdered 1400 innocent people) and murdering Joseph Goebbels whose "crime" was sitting down with his fellow Germans and discussing current events or whatever the Reich approved for discussion.
People cannot see the difference between vitrolic discussion (empowered by genocidal states with centuries of violence) and murderous terrorism (hypocritical occupiers and their sycophants steeped in a legacy of state terrorism, whose accusations are always confessions) and are celebrating their murder (as long as it's my tribe, it's wrong...but Palestinians, weapons free) as equal have no conscience and are beyond hope.
People who do not know the difference between Fascism and whitewashing White Nationalism, pontificating to others on the internet (who don't care like Kirk didn't care) are dupes to evil forces.
***I reinserted the truth, so well said!***
Nobody's buying that narrative, but in a free society, you've the liberty to sell it. Charlie earned his wages, and got paid in full...I don't condone violence like the far-right does , but that was fitting that a fellow MAGAt did it, as it exposed all their hypocrisy. Charlie's last words were about gang violence, but he was confused and forgot it was his own gang.
Millions of people have the prerogative to be...
Nobody's buying that narrative, but in a free society, you've the liberty to sell it. Charlie earned his wages, and got paid in full...I don't condone violence like the far-right does , but that was fitting that a fellow MAGAt did it, as it exposed all their hypocrisy. Charlie's last words were about gang violence, but he was confused and forgot it was his own gang.
Millions of people have the prerogative to be strategically indifferent about the fate of a small demagogue who got hit with friendly fire and proven wrong...decisively.
I agree with you on OBL, but Sinwar was a freedom fighter who died on his feet, and ultimately prevailed on that front. Contrast that with someone sitting in a tent in a safe space, taking one under the chin, reviled even by the Europeans he loved so much. Charlie Kirk might have seen the inevitable liberation of Palestine (a real place, BTW...wrong on that too), if only he turned just....a...little further to the right and wiped that goofy smirk off his face.
Alas, for Pharoah.
Lefties like yourself prove that you are a danger to our society and should be treated as such.
Ideology of the democrats/socialists/communists/hamas (or whatever hashtag is trending): We as a party will kill you if you say things we deem mean, if you are an executive we will kill you if we don't like the way your company is run, we will destroy your personal property (regardless of your affiliation) if we don't like the person who owns the company that makes said property, we believe children in Texas floods deserve to die...
Ideology of the democrats/socialists/communists/hamas (or whatever hashtag is trending): We as a party will kill you if you say things we deem mean, if you are an executive we will kill you if we don't like the way your company is run, we will destroy your personal property (regardless of your affiliation) if we don't like the person who owns the company that makes said property, we believe children in Texas floods deserve to die because of their parents' voting, we will not condemn those who fly commercial aircraft into buildings, we will firebomb law enforcement trying to deport those here illegally even if they are violent felons (but financial felonies with no victims or losses deserve death) and we do this because anyone who does not our ideology a fascist who will violate your constitutional rights and wants to control you. Did I miss anything?
What the hell has happened to Ben’s blog? Given most comments on posts like these add zero value to Ben’s mission of - let’s keep it simple - “my adventures in frequent flier miles”.
Years ago, when Ben was younger and truly passionate about flying, this blog was fun. He’s older now, with a family, and likely has lost the drive he had when he was a kid with endless energy and few responsibilities....
What the hell has happened to Ben’s blog? Given most comments on posts like these add zero value to Ben’s mission of - let’s keep it simple - “my adventures in frequent flier miles”.
Years ago, when Ben was younger and truly passionate about flying, this blog was fun. He’s older now, with a family, and likely has lost the drive he had when he was a kid with endless energy and few responsibilities.
He’s on autopilot, has attracted an audience that would prefer to insult each other than engage with the content.
For this reason, while visiting the blog was a daily habit, I now check in very occasionally. The best content? His personal experiences. The worst? Credit card affiliate promotions and news stories always ending with “What do you think about XYZ?” (As if he cares what random readers have to say). But, it brings engagement and keeps generating income.
I wish you luck, but your readers have devolved over the years from fellow enthusiasts to insulting each other.
Ben is thoughtful and sincere, but it feels this project is running out of steam.
You are incorrect to blame Ben for the conduct of the commentariat.
The saddest part of this whole thing is that if the shooter had indiscriminately fired into the crowd instead of killing Kirk, this would have been out of the news cycle the next day. Thoughts and prayers from the right, but no moment of silence in the House, no outrage, no action. Proof is the school shooting in Colorado the next day, where's the outrage over that? Yall fought tooth and nail against making it...
The saddest part of this whole thing is that if the shooter had indiscriminately fired into the crowd instead of killing Kirk, this would have been out of the news cycle the next day. Thoughts and prayers from the right, but no moment of silence in the House, no outrage, no action. Proof is the school shooting in Colorado the next day, where's the outrage over that? Yall fought tooth and nail against making it harder for people to get guns, this is one of the results of that. You made the bed, enjoy laying in it.
"Hmm, didn't the leftists, liberals, homsexuals and transsexuals all say and do this for years?
And now when the shoe is on the other foot; now it's different, how so?
This comment section perfectly demonstrates Ben's point. People celebrating murder, calling for deportations, everyone convinced their side is the victim while the other side are the aggressors.
Empirical data shows this isn't left vs. right - it's human psychology. Studies conducted by the University of Michigan on Reddit, research from Science Advances on partisan reporting, and Stanford's work on truth vs. political alignment all find the same thing: people across the spectrum apply different moral...
This comment section perfectly demonstrates Ben's point. People celebrating murder, calling for deportations, everyone convinced their side is the victim while the other side are the aggressors.
Empirical data shows this isn't left vs. right - it's human psychology. Studies conducted by the University of Michigan on Reddit, research from Science Advances on partisan reporting, and Stanford's work on truth vs. political alignment all find the same thing: people across the spectrum apply different moral standards based on tribal affiliation.
What's striking is commenters simultaneously complaining about the other side's intolerance while expressing their own, lamenting free speech while demanding consequences for those who disagree, condemning violence while dehumanizing opponents.
Until we recognize we're all susceptible to these biases - rationalizing our side's behavior while condemning identical behavior from others - we'll keep spiraling. The research shows this pattern is predictable and measurable. The question is whether we're willing to acknowledge it in ourselves, not just point it out in others.
It's interesting that in some people's minds, that free speech is only free when you agree with it. If they don't agree with it, they attack the person, carry the attack forward to their employer. It seems like this is escalating the divide rather than possibly thinking about the other persons opinion or simply ignoring their comments.
"The internet is really becoming a very dark place." Becoming? How long have you been living under that rock? The internet has always had its dark corners, but social media has destroyed modern society.
The most ironic part in all of this is the left has been doing this "cancel" thing towards anyone who disagreed with their personal thoughts and opinions for literally 10 years, if not more.
Now that the right is dishing it out, the left thinks it's wrong?
Why wasn't it wrong when Roseanne was run out of the country?
Why wasn't it wrong when conservative Hollywood actors were forced to hide their...
The most ironic part in all of this is the left has been doing this "cancel" thing towards anyone who disagreed with their personal thoughts and opinions for literally 10 years, if not more.
Now that the right is dishing it out, the left thinks it's wrong?
Why wasn't it wrong when Roseanne was run out of the country?
Why wasn't it wrong when conservative Hollywood actors were forced to hide their political stance lest they never work again?
Why wasn't it wrong when Average Joes and Joettas across the country were harassed, sued, and cancelled out of business because they held dear their personal religious beliefs and refused to bake a cake, host a wedding, or photograph and event because it was in violation of their basic faith based principles?
So, it's only wrong when the swift punishment/cancellation is against a conservative?
The First amendment isn't about random free speech. There are Supreme Court rulings that explicitly prove not all speech is protected.
In addition, the 1st Amendment is about being able to speak out against a dictatorial and/or oppressive government, which was the reason we had the Revolutionary War, without fear of reprisal from saud government.
In addition, to use the words the left once flung at the right, everytime someone became angry over yet another cancel culture victim due to the Woke Left, "freedom of speech give you freedom of expression, not freedom from consequences.
If one is going to celebrate the assassination of another person, they should expect people will (rightfully) get upset about it.
If someone does something you think is unfair, do it back to them when you have the power! That'll surely make for a better world!
>The most ironic part in all of this is the left has been doing this "cancel" thing towards anyone who disagreed with their personal thoughts and opinions for literally 10 years, if not more.
It was also largely ineffective, but for some reason the right thinks it will work for them.
AMEN to that
One more step toward a fascist state where you cannot speak your mind freely. Your employer should have absolutely nothing to say about your political speech away from the job.
I already have a list of lefties to submit. Can't wait.
No thanks. I don’t want a pilot who celebrates assassination flying me anywhere. Thank you Delta.
How do you know this Ben? “The irony is of course that the people who are most aggressively reporting people to employers for what they write online are the same people who post the most controversial and offensive things when something similar on the other side happens.” Do you know all these people? I personally don’t know anyone who has personally reported someone for their offensive language. However, I do not see that “they” are...
How do you know this Ben? “The irony is of course that the people who are most aggressively reporting people to employers for what they write online are the same people who post the most controversial and offensive things when something similar on the other side happens.” Do you know all these people? I personally don’t know anyone who has personally reported someone for their offensive language. However, I do not see that “they” are the ones with the “most controversial and offensive things”.
Ben is engaging in first person subjective analysis and reporting. His experience tells him this, just as in my experience many who are prone to complaining about the offensive speech other others are prone to engage in it themselves.
Empirical data strongly correlates with Ben's observation:
- University of Michigan analysis of 600 million Reddit comments found systematic political bias in content moderation
- Science Advances study revealed Democrats showed "party promotion" behavior...
Ben is engaging in first person subjective analysis and reporting. His experience tells him this, just as in my experience many who are prone to complaining about the offensive speech other others are prone to engage in it themselves.
Empirical data strongly correlates with Ben's observation:
- University of Michigan analysis of 600 million Reddit comments found systematic political bias in content moderation
- Science Advances study revealed Democrats showed "party promotion" behavior - being less likely to report false news favoring their own party
- Stanford research demonstrated people reject true information challenging their worldview more readily than false information confirming it
- PNAS study found users with partisan political activity showed higher toxicity across all contexts
The psychological mechanisms are well-documented through moral licensing research and social identity theory. While no study directly tracks individuals' reporting versus posting patterns, multiple independent lines of evidence point to the same conclusion: people systematically apply different standards based on political alignment, being more tolerant of controversial content from their in-group while more aggressively reporting similar behavior from out-groups.
I have no problem with companies having and enforcing a social media policy. I do have a major problem when these companies apply it selectively.
Good on Delta for having a backbone and not crumbling to the woke mob. I’m not a Trump supporter but what I’ve seen the left say has been absolutely vile, on this and also about what’s going on in the middle east. I hope these suspensions turn into terminations and that they start cracking down on those who are espousing antisemitic comments as well regarding Israel defending themselves against extremist violence. While the values held...
Good on Delta for having a backbone and not crumbling to the woke mob. I’m not a Trump supporter but what I’ve seen the left say has been absolutely vile, on this and also about what’s going on in the middle east. I hope these suspensions turn into terminations and that they start cracking down on those who are espousing antisemitic comments as well regarding Israel defending themselves against extremist violence. While the values held by both sides are in the drain now, it’s very clear from social media that the left has completely lost their mind and are standing for some very sickening and destructive rhetoric, which has sadly culminated in a very tragic incident.
Genocide and ethnic cleansing are vile.
It's such hypocrisy. Kirk would have been terminated years ago from any private employer. His posts were hateful and fascist. He seemed to encourage the very thing that happened to him.
Delta and the other airlines are extremely hypocritical here. They have no morals or standards.
Sounds like you're wishing for fascism.
Lefties are a threat to national security.
Nah, the bigger threat is your lot who stormed the Capitol and tried to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. THAT is an actual threat to national security. Wanker.
They were heros and patriots. Glad they got the justice they deserved via pardons.
If Charlie Kirk happened to be an employee of delta, any other airline, or any other mainstream public company, he would have been fired a hundred times over for the things that he posted on social media. The most applicable but not the worst would have been claiming that he would be apprehensive if you got on a flight with a black pilot. Because the black pilot may not be qualified and is only there...
If Charlie Kirk happened to be an employee of delta, any other airline, or any other mainstream public company, he would have been fired a hundred times over for the things that he posted on social media. The most applicable but not the worst would have been claiming that he would be apprehensive if you got on a flight with a black pilot. Because the black pilot may not be qualified and is only there because he or she is black. Claiming that a black woman's brain is inherently less intelligent and less able to process things.
I could go on and on, but I think everybody knows how racist, sexist, and bigoted Charlie Kirk was. So many people that respect the entirety of the human race are disgusted with the proliferation and seeming lack of consequences for people like Charlie kirk.
He did not deserve to be murdered, but he should not be a hero or a martyr. We should not forget what kind of person he was.
If the shooter had simply killed a bunch of the students there, the whole story would be ending its news cycle and quickly forgotten. However, if a racist sexist, bigoted white guy that's active on social media gets killed, it's a big deal. Lower the flags! Build a statue! Fly the body on a presidential plane! It's all the liberals fault!
The whole thing just shows that to a very significant part of the population, the life of a racist white man is infinitely more valuable than the life of the average young person in america.
As of now it's been several years of divisive speech , so were now at the point of interfering with the constitution .
Current president has for some time had his rants and " IS " using physical force of tax payer agencies for revenge and counter attacks . I can at least say I never heard of charlie kirk doing such actions , while i say I am not one of his fans...
As of now it's been several years of divisive speech , so were now at the point of interfering with the constitution .
Current president has for some time had his rants and " IS " using physical force of tax payer agencies for revenge and counter attacks . I can at least say I never heard of charlie kirk doing such actions , while i say I am not one of his fans . BUT here we ARE in the beginning stages of civil war .
SIMPLE QUESTION PEOPLE - WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT TO GO ?
BE A BUNCH OF TRIBES - OR - A NATION ?
WAR is EASY - Holding politicians to account is not easy - we let them have their way and this is what we got - A MESS .
You ARE government - first three words - " WE THE PEOPLE " , CREATED THE CONSTITUTION & FORM OF sub government the three branches , THAT WHEN WE DO OUR PART - WE OVER SEE ! RECALL ELECTION , NOW !
It is ironic that colleagues are reporting each other for this kind of behavior. However, equally these days people cannot handle others that do not agree with them even if their idea or argument lacks facts and history and logic.
What If Charlie Kirk was an " Anti Semite"? would they still be suspending & Firing people?
"Jewish donors have a lot of explaining to do. A lot of decoupling to do," he said. "Because Jewish donors have been the No. 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border neoliberal quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews. And now it's coming for Jews, and they're like, 'What on Earth happened?' And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all...
"Jewish donors have a lot of explaining to do. A lot of decoupling to do," he said. "Because Jewish donors have been the No. 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border neoliberal quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews. And now it's coming for Jews, and they're like, 'What on Earth happened?' And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it."
Charlie Kirk on The Charlie Kirk Show, Oct. 26, 2023
Whether you're a business like Delta, or the plumbing supply store down the street...they are private enterprises and make the rules. We don't have to agree or like the rules, but we must abide by them. If an employee violates those rules, the company is within their legal rights to take whatever action they deem appropriate.
I don't know what the Delta employee(s) said and it's not relevant. How they "feel" is not relevant....
Whether you're a business like Delta, or the plumbing supply store down the street...they are private enterprises and make the rules. We don't have to agree or like the rules, but we must abide by them. If an employee violates those rules, the company is within their legal rights to take whatever action they deem appropriate.
I don't know what the Delta employee(s) said and it's not relevant. How they "feel" is not relevant. They broke the rules. Pretty simple, with my set of glasses.
It is fascinating to me that the Venn Diagram of people who claimed private business can’t enforce masking policies during COVID but simultaneously say they can enforce censorship policies when it suits their political agenda is a very tight circle.
The Right is the Grievance Party when it suits their dogma
I agree.. I support Delta and others for suspending and or terminating those making VILE comments
AA sent similar memo
When Delta decided to discipline its employees for their comments online, it had nothing to do with any Constitutional rights. The writings on the walls are explicit: The WH will use its bottomless resources and vast tentacles to bankrupt and bury all dissidents. Elon Musk is no exception. We have watched and read multiples Ivy League colleges, top law firms, all major news media, countless 500 Fortune companies capitulate to his unlawful executive orders. Ed...
When Delta decided to discipline its employees for their comments online, it had nothing to do with any Constitutional rights. The writings on the walls are explicit: The WH will use its bottomless resources and vast tentacles to bankrupt and bury all dissidents. Elon Musk is no exception. We have watched and read multiples Ivy League colleges, top law firms, all major news media, countless 500 Fortune companies capitulate to his unlawful executive orders. Ed Bastian refuses to volunteer himself and Delta to be next in line in front of the WH firing squad. He takes a pre-emptive measure to get ahead of the WH's wrath. I did not see it coming watching Bill Gates praising Trump at the WH meeting with all tech titans because he did not want MicroSoft be excluded from any government contracts worth at least tens of billions of dollars. You are as much delusional to believe in your constitutionals rights as the Palestinians fighting for their statehood. The Supreme Court conservative justices have the final say in interpreting what the constitutional rights are that best suit their ideological and religious agendas. Not what the Founding Fathers had in mind. We are now currently living in McCarthyism. If the wealthiest and most lethal law firms, Ivy League colleges, and mainstream news media bowed to Trump, we must stop bickering among ourselves about democracy, constitutional rights and our basic life necessities being honored, protected and preserved.
If you want to understand how Christianity is gaining strength in putting a choke -hole on all aspects of our lives and governments , you must read independent non-profit news organizations. Not only the powerful evangelicals intend to turn this country into a theological country but they also wreck havocs around the world, especially in the MidEast conflict but also in poor civil war torn African countries. I just watched "Trafficked" with Mariana van Zeller last Saturday on the persecution of
gays in Uganda. A very heart wrenching episode to watch. Check out below documentaries if you did not already watch them. Religions and hypocrisies are joined at the hips. Christians persecute gays in Africa but the church covered up priests and bishops to molest boys in the west for centuries until two decades ago.
Jim Baker and Jim Swagger were exposed with hookers three decades ago along with politicians with young boys in the past two decades. When you allow religion to penetrate into people's daily lives and government agencies, the outcome always will be deadly.
" Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction." Pascal
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/witness/2024/3/20/praying-for-armageddon-evangelicals-the-us-and-the-middle-east
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/witness/2024/3/21/praying-for-armageddon-how-evangelicals-affect-the-middle-east
Relax, take a breath.
I hope the FBI comes for you Icarus. Don’t ever say that, regardless which side. You can get life in prison for that threat on a US PRESIDENT. And you should with that post, that’s not freedom speech…..that is asking violence. All lives matter and are blessed and nobody should wish harm on others. Why the heck can’t we have constructive conversations peacefully without hate or threat? THIS NEEDS TOO STOP ASAP.
So Mr. Sunshine. I hope you feel the same way and stand strong against the maga racists who dream of killing all people of color. They threatened Black colleges. These are kids who had nothing to do with the slaughter of CK. As a matter of fact CK often advocated violence against Muslims and People of Color. He and Maga and Maga politicians are full of hate. Ot love. When a person says Netanyahu is...
So Mr. Sunshine. I hope you feel the same way and stand strong against the maga racists who dream of killing all people of color. They threatened Black colleges. These are kids who had nothing to do with the slaughter of CK. As a matter of fact CK often advocated violence against Muslims and People of Color. He and Maga and Maga politicians are full of hate. Ot love. When a person says Netanyahu is a war criminal its deemed hate speech. When CK says kill people, which he did, its free speech. Doesn't work that way. Only racists would. Seems like there are many on this site. Hypocrites
Never happened.
More left fiction.
People should do their jobs and stop stirring the pot. The hate is shameful. The lies and story telling meant to be harmful has no place when you represent a company you do not own. Time to act like accountable adults.
Nasdaq fired an employee over social media posts related to Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination.
“We are aware of social media posts by an employee regarding the shooting of Charlie Kirk that were a clear violation of our policy,” the company said in a statement on X.
“Nasdaq has a zero-tolerance policy toward violence and any commentary that condones or celebrates violence. The employee in question has been terminated, effective immediately,” it added.
Soooo basically the owners of America only have free speech, because they pay money too and make the rules. The plebs are not allowed to have opinions…Kirk sure did have a lot of them. And they were toxic. But he was a business and he was funding ppl with same ideology.
Who was this individual was he a politician? Why is it major news?
"No matter how much we may disagree with someone, nobody deserves to have their life taken because they have a different view than us." Unless, of course, the killer is someone who gets red-carpet treatment in Alaska, from a politician supported by the dark-money Turning Point.
Meanwhile in Canada, you are free to publicly explicitly express profound hatred of Jews, glorify muslim and Sikh terrorism, and can sexually assault women and get released on bail because you're a minority. But you cannot honk for freedom, they have to call in Emergency Measures.
Keep making things up while you try to cope with Canada rejecting fascism
"Progressivism" is just as fascist as MAGA. Post "trans women are men" on your company message board and see how long your "right to free speech" lasts.
Yah right we need an emergency act to stop people on a bouncy castle.
You are a left wing fool.
Canada is fascist.
Fascism is left wing.
America is screwed. Beyond repair. I am so glad I am not American. But then my other two countries are screwed even more. Nowhere to run.
Which two countries are you referring to?
Jesus Ben, celebrating the death of a man just for expressing his thoughts is repulsive and being fired for it is a normal consequence. That is not “unfair”, therefore Musk won’t be paying legal fees for lunatics and evil people. You are smarter than that.
Happy to report that in the aftermath of this awful and sad event, no looting has occurred in the streets of Provo and SLC.
What are we going to do about this white on white crime?
After years of reading this blog I’m official done and will no longer be doing so. Your completely out of touch political comments have drove me here. The left has spent literal years demonizing the right. Now to act like it’s been happening on both sides is delusional.
Democrats did this. The MSM did this.
Try being a republican in this country. You can’t let anyone know you’re republican or the woke mob...
After years of reading this blog I’m official done and will no longer be doing so. Your completely out of touch political comments have drove me here. The left has spent literal years demonizing the right. Now to act like it’s been happening on both sides is delusional.
Democrats did this. The MSM did this.
Try being a republican in this country. You can’t let anyone know you’re republican or the woke mob will come for you. For years we’ve been fired from jobs and ostracized from society for common sense viewpoints.
You are truly delusional. If you don’t see it by now, you are a sheep that cannot be saved.
Trump opened his campaign in 2015 by saying immigrants were rapists and murderers, making fun of a disabled reporter and suggesting that the “Second Amendment people” should “take care of” Hillary.
Spare us the lecture, MAGA snowflake.
@jessica some of them are. His statement was true.
@sel.d the word “some” in your response, is doing a lot of work.
Jessica,
Hillary called half of America "deplorables"
Let's get past the idea that any side is at fault for any of this.
@Tim Dunn, actually she called half of Trump supporters deplorables, not half of America. And for good measure those same people then went all in on trying to overthrow a free and fair election on January 6, 2021, and then canceled John McCain. Don't want to be called deplorables? Stop doing the deplorable thing. Otherwise if the basket fits, hop in it.
Wrong Timmy. She heavily qualified her point and said “you could put half of Trump’s supporters” in that basket. So that would have been about a quarter of the country in another election where Trump failed to win a majority of the electorate. Here’s the Hillary quote:
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? [Laughter/applause]. The racist, sexist, homophobic,...
Wrong Timmy. She heavily qualified her point and said “you could put half of Trump’s supporters” in that basket. So that would have been about a quarter of the country in another election where Trump failed to win a majority of the electorate. Here’s the Hillary quote:
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? [Laughter/applause]. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric. Now sometimes of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.“
Having said that, your desire for people to stop claiming one side is at fault is probably coming from a good place. If poorly executed.
Spewing rabid hate directed toward other Americans who are minorities is not common sense-for the Left or the Right. Now would be a great time to tone down the rhetoric but sugar-coating his record upon death is disrespectful and a disservice to all of us. Truth is more important now than ever.
Didn’t a Democrat politician get shot to death in a targeted killing just months ago?
@disappointed Didn’t a Democrat politician get targeted and shot just a few months back?
lol. you're a member of the "fuck their feelings" crowd but can't take when your own inadequacies are exposed.
I agree through with OMAAT
@Disappointed, this isn't an airport. You don't need to announce your departure.
Holy shite. Always playing the victim. "oH, iT's sO hARd tO Be a rEPubLiCaN iN ThIs cOUNtrY".
Boo hoo. Good riddance. I hope I *never* have to sit next to you on an airplane. I don't suffer whiners easily.
Don’t let the door hit ya on the butt on the way out, Disappointed.
You speak the truth esp if you live in Liberal blue cities or states... YOu cannot voice your politics....
I am neither American nor a lawyer but through the magic of the internet, "Free speech is limited under the First Amendment to prohibit categories of speech that can harm others, such as incitement to violence, defamation, fraud, child pornography, and true threats. While the First Amendment protects expression from government restrictions, it does not prevent private entities like businesses or social media platforms from regulating content on their own platforms."
Some of the...
I am neither American nor a lawyer but through the magic of the internet, "Free speech is limited under the First Amendment to prohibit categories of speech that can harm others, such as incitement to violence, defamation, fraud, child pornography, and true threats. While the First Amendment protects expression from government restrictions, it does not prevent private entities like businesses or social media platforms from regulating content on their own platforms."
Some of the three million lawyers in the US likely may be eager to accept cases funded by Mr. Musk, regardless of their opinions on the subject matter.
Whether it is legal or not, I view stating personnel opinions on a matter in a forum linked to your employer in any way as impolite.
Thanks for this rational and factual assessment. Americans get agitated about their constitutional rights & freedoms, but few of them seem to have actually read the document and understood its limitations. The fact remains that a private employer can dictate what employee speech is or isn't acceptable if they believe that speech may bring them into disrepute. In the past this has included employees whose social media profiles identify them as such who posted either...
Thanks for this rational and factual assessment. Americans get agitated about their constitutional rights & freedoms, but few of them seem to have actually read the document and understood its limitations. The fact remains that a private employer can dictate what employee speech is or isn't acceptable if they believe that speech may bring them into disrepute. In the past this has included employees whose social media profiles identify them as such who posted either unprofessional (twerking on board an aircraft while in uniform), antisocial, or illegal behaviour. The first amendment only applies to the government. Period.
This person is a moron. In general, but not absolute, people should be able to post rude, nasty, tasteless things on line and not lose their job. As long as they aren't bringing their employer into it. But this crossed the line. A man that traveled the country debating his ideas was executed gang style in front of 1000+ young people. Leaving behind a wife and two young children that will never know their father...
This person is a moron. In general, but not absolute, people should be able to post rude, nasty, tasteless things on line and not lose their job. As long as they aren't bringing their employer into it. But this crossed the line. A man that traveled the country debating his ideas was executed gang style in front of 1000+ young people. Leaving behind a wife and two young children that will never know their father and live with this horror.
In this case you deserve to be outed to your employer and lose your job. Enjoy working at Family Dollar.
If you didn't realize, it's the same kind of vitriol that you just posted, with a kind of high-minded morality, is exactly what leads to radicalization and lack of compassion.
He posted "No matter how much we may disagree with someone, nobody deserves to have their life taken because they have a different view than us. Worst of all, Kirk has two young children, who now have to grow up without a father due to someone else’s horrible decision." and then posted a copy of the memo that Delta sent out.
What is this vitriol you speak of? I think most normal people would...
He posted "No matter how much we may disagree with someone, nobody deserves to have their life taken because they have a different view than us. Worst of all, Kirk has two young children, who now have to grow up without a father due to someone else’s horrible decision." and then posted a copy of the memo that Delta sent out.
What is this vitriol you speak of? I think most normal people would agree with that statement.
Because just because you didn't like what someone said doesn't automatically make it vitriol. It just makes you insecure and fragile.
I have no idea of what "Mike" is talking about. 1. I said in general I'm uncomfortable for people posting tweets/Tik Toks, etc. that are rude, crude, distasteful, mean and then being fired. In general-which means not absolute. 2. I get nervous about cancellation culture because I see when people post facts supported by data, for example the black-on-black crime rate, there are calls to fire them for being "racist." 3. But when you make...
I have no idea of what "Mike" is talking about. 1. I said in general I'm uncomfortable for people posting tweets/Tik Toks, etc. that are rude, crude, distasteful, mean and then being fired. In general-which means not absolute. 2. I get nervous about cancellation culture because I see when people post facts supported by data, for example the black-on-black crime rate, there are calls to fire them for being "racist." 3. But when you make fun of someone real being shot gang style if found out by your employer you should be prepared to lose your job.
Someone that equates a joke online about Lesbians bringing a UHaul to a second date (a joke that started with gay men BTW) to showing glee over someone gun downed in cold blood needs some serious counseling.
Sorry Mike. Seems like you may have been referring to George, not Ben. If so, my apologies.
This mans ideas were that Black people were better under slavery, that Zohran Mamdani, who was born in New York, had some relation to 9/11 as a result of his faith and skin color, that sexual assault was acceptable under some circumstances ("If a 19 year old man and woman are having sex, and they are drunk, and consent is withdrawn, that's a grey area) that sexually abused children should be forced to give birth,...
This mans ideas were that Black people were better under slavery, that Zohran Mamdani, who was born in New York, had some relation to 9/11 as a result of his faith and skin color, that sexual assault was acceptable under some circumstances ("If a 19 year old man and woman are having sex, and they are drunk, and consent is withdrawn, that's a grey area) that sexually abused children should be forced to give birth, that empathy was a weakness, ("I hate the word empathy, I think it is a made up new age term that does a lot of harm) and that white people were superior to all other races. You can watch his content to verify everything I said. In the past 48 hours I have seen a lawmaker praying the shooter was non white, I have seen random accounts I follow calling for a civil war and the killing of all people who ideologically disagree with them, and calls for the creation of a one party state in the United States.
Charlie Kirk devoted his career to stifling true free speech, and creating a world where only he and his ilk get to say the horrific things they believe while political dissidents are stifled. The world is a better place without him, and it boils my blood to see the same people who defend the usage of racial slurs, neo nazi propaganda, and outright calls for genocide against one group or another as free speech demand action against those who celebrate the death of someone who was a bad man.
Very well written post at a time where every sentence must be crafted. Summarised, educated and closed well.
I've posted this elsewhere but, this all goes back to brand recognition. The narcissistic idea that one must post every part of their miserable lives, from the number of daily bowel movements to what they have for dinner, to everyone in the same miserable mindset is ludicrous. IF on their social media sites there is any hint as to their employer, then the employer has the right to control what is posted on the employee’s...
I've posted this elsewhere but, this all goes back to brand recognition. The narcissistic idea that one must post every part of their miserable lives, from the number of daily bowel movements to what they have for dinner, to everyone in the same miserable mindset is ludicrous. IF on their social media sites there is any hint as to their employer, then the employer has the right to control what is posted on the employee’s accounts. Many of the dumb masses that read this narcissistic drivel will equate the employee’s beliefs to that of the employer. First Amendment rights do not extend to private entities. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...". This applies to all governments from federal down to local.
OH...I should add: MISOGINY: is a deep dislike, hatred, prejudice, or contempt for women and girls. I don't think I ever heard him say anything like that. RACIST:showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group. NOTE:RACIAL and ETHNIC. Eh...no. Now this one is really good: Charlie Kirk was a "pedophile homosexual". Exactly WHAT twisted mind does MAGA JOE and Icarus...
OH...I should add: MISOGINY: is a deep dislike, hatred, prejudice, or contempt for women and girls. I don't think I ever heard him say anything like that. RACIST:showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group. NOTE:RACIAL and ETHNIC. Eh...no. Now this one is really good: Charlie Kirk was a "pedophile homosexual". Exactly WHAT twisted mind does MAGA JOE and Icarus have? All this proves is that many can't properly express disagreement without resorting to, frankly, slander and defamation of character. if real names were associated with comments like this, I'd haul your happy asses into court and nail you for every cent you have!
A lot of this stems from keyboard courage. Pre internet, if you said something to someone's face you would directly see a consequence. Now with an anonymous internet name and physical distance you can insult at will.
To be fair, people with racist, misogynist, and other disgusting ideas (even for their own times) have always been able to make a platform for themselves, and even get real political power. First through newspapers and broadsheets, then through radio, and then television. Social media and the internet didn't change the game, it just broadened the reach. Blaming social media and the internet is a cop out from realizing that our species has always had this side to it.
People should think before posting. You can say anything you want just be prepared for the consequences.
As others have mentioned already, in the US our constitutional guarantee of free speech applies only to government. You cannot be arrested or censured or legally harassed BY THE GOVERNMENT for expressing unpopular ideas. There are exceptions, but generally one is free to say anything, no matter how awful. While this is an important right, it does not apply to private companies. If you are employed by a company with a speech policy and you...
As others have mentioned already, in the US our constitutional guarantee of free speech applies only to government. You cannot be arrested or censured or legally harassed BY THE GOVERNMENT for expressing unpopular ideas. There are exceptions, but generally one is free to say anything, no matter how awful. While this is an important right, it does not apply to private companies. If you are employed by a company with a speech policy and you violate the policy, they can do whatever they want regarding your employment. It's that simple. Generally, don't express controversial opinions on social media and you will be fine. Now, if you want to write a letter expressing your view to your senator, that is protected speech. Feel free. I am grateful that we cannot be arrested for our speech, unlike our friends in Europe. They seem to have lost their way, especially in the UK.
“It’s not that they’re upset that someone is being insensitive, but they’re upset that someone is disagreeing with them, and they want to find any way possible to punish them for that.”
Exactly WRONG. Many of these people work in positions in which you entrust them with your life. Pilots, doctors, nurses, public transportation drivers/operators. If they’re saying things as unhinged as they are, it becomes clear to me that just because I don’t agree...
“It’s not that they’re upset that someone is being insensitive, but they’re upset that someone is disagreeing with them, and they want to find any way possible to punish them for that.”
Exactly WRONG. Many of these people work in positions in which you entrust them with your life. Pilots, doctors, nurses, public transportation drivers/operators. If they’re saying things as unhinged as they are, it becomes clear to me that just because I don’t agree with something they might believe, who’s to say they don’t think I should die too? Should I trust a pilot that doesn’t value every human life to not crash the plane because people on board don’t have the same opinions? I don’t give a shit what side of the spectrum they are on, and don’t think that a liberal or conservative is voicing their opinion should be punished just because they might think differently than me. That’s exactly freedom of speech. But the line is crossed if a pilot believes someone should die just because they think differently than them. I have a problem with that and would choose to fly with someone who values all human life so that I can trust they won’t do something radical just because my beliefs don’t align with theirs. This is common sense, not rocket science.
Agree
Obviously you've never spent time with people putting together airplanes. People have weird and vile beliefs all the time. Yet, you entrust your safety to them. Doctors are the same way (I had one refer to "the War of Northern Aggression" while fixing my foot). People's ethical and political views really have little relationship to specific job competence.
There's a lot of poison in our society put out by people chasing clout, influence, and money...
Obviously you've never spent time with people putting together airplanes. People have weird and vile beliefs all the time. Yet, you entrust your safety to them. Doctors are the same way (I had one refer to "the War of Northern Aggression" while fixing my foot). People's ethical and political views really have little relationship to specific job competence.
There's a lot of poison in our society put out by people chasing clout, influence, and money (Charlie Kirk was one of them). People were harassed and harmed by his work. Should we wish for their demise? That's not the best way to express one's feelings. But do I want to spend any time dwelling on Charlie Kirk's public legacy? Not really. The soonest we can forget his work in life, the better off as a society we will be.
Screw u. Every life matters regardless what side you’re on. And educate yourself . Please. Brent.
I tracked down the comments, did you KM? The DL pilot didn't wish CK dead, though he did call him a name and yes, that's just rude in the current light. I don't know if it's snowflake-ism or pure ignorance, but it seems to me the people calling for the heads of anyone showing the slightest disrespect towards CK's murder are missing the point.
CK LITERALLY said that it was worth the cost of some...
I tracked down the comments, did you KM? The DL pilot didn't wish CK dead, though he did call him a name and yes, that's just rude in the current light. I don't know if it's snowflake-ism or pure ignorance, but it seems to me the people calling for the heads of anyone showing the slightest disrespect towards CK's murder are missing the point.
CK LITERALLY said that it was worth the cost of some lives in order to have 2nd Amendment rights to protect other "god-given rights." He LITERALLY said that an armed citizenry is the price of liberty. I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with him and are trying to point out just how high that price can be. Of course, when it's minorities, or children, or churchgoers it never seems to be too high a price... but now? I believe that whether it is gun violence or political violence, the price is too high and always has been. It is chilling though that in the wake of this political violence, the right is calling for violence against the other side of the aisle.
And as far as pilots' with questionable beliefs, whether or not they wanted to kill you: How comfortable would YOU be with a pilot more eager to look down and spot "Obama's FEMA death trains" than monitoring the plane? Or one that chuckled at the thought that Paul Pelosi deserved to be beaten because he "was a pedo"? I have been in the cockpit with people like this, saying those things. The disagreement that followed was probably as civil as it could have been, but I never trusted those men's judgment again.
One side claimed for years that free speech is under attack, now they suddenly want to shut down any free speech they find offensive. What a toxic and hypocritical society.
enjoy the bed you made. what goes around comes around right?
Charlie kirk was a racist and a pedophile homosexual killed by his gay Israeli lover. The things this man said were deeply hateful, racist and mysigonestic but was defended by his cry of free speech. Now this man was gunned downed by Maga white nationalist and we say the same things that he said about people of color , now thats a problem. Racists dont get to make the rules and control narrative. No sympathy for this racist
What exactly did Kirk say that was deeply hateful? Can you name one actual legit quote? I can't. And if you don't like what someone says, then don't listen. That's your right. You cannot justify murder based on your personal view of how bad you think someone is. That does not solve anything.
Finally, all of your descriptions of Kirk and the shooter are wrong. I suggest that you educate yourself before shooting off your mouth again.
“ Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
“ If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January...
“ Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
“ If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024
“ You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023, in reference to black women
“ We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024
“America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025
“ America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025
“We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025
Those statements are no more hateful than the lefts relentless attack on while males
What Kirk said was all factual.
Consider what Kirk said about Black women leaders and affirmative action. Assailing affirmative action “picks” Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, Kirk said, sickeningly, “you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken seriously” without affirmative action. “You had to steal a white person’s slot.”
“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the...
Consider what Kirk said about Black women leaders and affirmative action. Assailing affirmative action “picks” Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, Kirk said, sickeningly, “you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken seriously” without affirmative action. “You had to steal a white person’s slot.”
“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” he said. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution grants Americans the right to bear arms.
Kirk once compared Islam’s Prophet Muhammad with the child sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, referring to the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at a young age
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad
Seems Dan gave quite a few “actual legit” quotes. It’s YOU who need to educate yourself. Charlie Kirk was an awful human being.
Here you go, comments with a source for each one
https://zeteo.com/p/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words
Seek help.
You have so many facts wrong. I don't know where to start.
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I think a lot of people are confused about what free speech is (including Elon Musk). Free Speech refers to the regulation of speech by governments and public institutions. I think Delta has probably been overly aggressive and I don't agree with going after employees for comments about Kirk but this isn't really a free speech issue. Private companies have all kinds of standards about employee behavior that are legally protected.
The so-called tolerant left has really shown their true colors in the last few days and months (and in this blog post). Celebrating and praising cold blooded murderers like Louis Mangione, to the open and vicious celebration of Charlie Kirk's murder, and the lamenting at the failure of the 2 attempts on the President's life. They have become the party of death.
No. The world would certainly be a better place without racism, homophobia, misogyny, misandry etc. It’s just that you lack the ability to comprehend that. Third time lucky ..
Their you have it folks--an open invitation to assassinate the democratically elected US president by a deluded fool who considers themselves the best example of compassion.
I've continually been told my mere silence is actual violence, so I will assume Ben that your silence on a public call to assassinate Trump (on your website) is total agreement.
The hypocrisy. The right wing in the US calls for gay people to be killed, and attacks minorities daily both verbally and physically. I thought you believed in free speech. It was a figure of speech.
I hope the FBI comes for you Icarus. Don’t ever say that, regardless which side. You can get life in prison for that threat on a US PRESIDENT
The party of "Free Speech", that is...free speech for ME, but not for THEE, is certainly in the midst of drama queen meltdown. It is really something to behold. Especially since the murderer came from within.
@jcll
Bruh, SITTING CONGRESSMEN on the right made fun of the assassination of the MN State legislator and the current President mocked Pelosi's husband after a home invader fractured his skull with a hammer while attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi. Meanwhile for Kirk there's been far left randos celebrating his death, but the "worst" from the mainstream Dem side has been to say that 1. Kirk had disgusting political views (true) and 2. Kirk...
@jcll
Bruh, SITTING CONGRESSMEN on the right made fun of the assassination of the MN State legislator and the current President mocked Pelosi's husband after a home invader fractured his skull with a hammer while attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi. Meanwhile for Kirk there's been far left randos celebrating his death, but the "worst" from the mainstream Dem side has been to say that 1. Kirk had disgusting political views (true) and 2. Kirk didn't deserve to be shot for voicing those views (true).
Btw, Trump doesn't give a damn about Kirk's death either, he's more interested in his new ballroom.
You must be watching and reading different news sources than I am. Every democratic leader from across the spectrum immediately condemned the killing. I did see Nancy Mace when the body wasn't even at room temperature, blame "the Left", and the President did so as well. That was reckless, dangerous and self-serving. Because when 20 kids get murdered in a classroom, then it's "now it's not the time to politicize a tragedy", but this week...
You must be watching and reading different news sources than I am. Every democratic leader from across the spectrum immediately condemned the killing. I did see Nancy Mace when the body wasn't even at room temperature, blame "the Left", and the President did so as well. That was reckless, dangerous and self-serving. Because when 20 kids get murdered in a classroom, then it's "now it's not the time to politicize a tragedy", but this week it was "how do I use this to fundraise?" Yes, there are nuts who are posting online about rejoicing in the murder. There are always nuts on all sides of the spectrum. And they are suffering the consequences. But you're taking those postings and casting that out on the entire "tolerant left", while conveniently dismissing all the incitement to violence on the right. I'll just remind you about the profile of the person suspected of killing Charlie Kirk. And yet you continue to point the finger to "the other team" and complain about "true colors". Don Jr. posted a photo of a Halloween costume with a hammer and underwear. Why was that ok? If you can't condemn that, then we're done here, because you're not engaging in a good faith argument and we're just wasting each other's time.
@jcil Which Democrat leader has celebrated his death? Of course your going to find some fringe dwellers saying awful things but to suggest that is the view of all on the “left” is ridiculous.
These people lack self control. They just can't help themselves and should never be in a position where they can affect the safety of others. Good on Delta.
“In the United States we have free speech”
No you don’t. You’re being delulu again Ben.
MAGA snowflakes led by the whiner in chief.
Lefties are national security threat and a fifth column.
It seems like the left went too far this time, they tried to silence him but they have woken a sleeping giant. The right isn’t putting up with it anymore.
What exactly did the "left" do?
The left commits mass murder and terrorism.
Been under a rock the last day or so uh?
There have been multiple stories of people being fired from all kinds of companies from universities to MSNBC over comments about Kirk.
The internet has created the mindset that people can say whatever they want and not face repercussions.
Whether you like Kirk or not, hopefully there will be a recognition that speech has its limits - both ways. He wasn't the President and they have been assassinated for decades. He was an opinionated...
There have been multiple stories of people being fired from all kinds of companies from universities to MSNBC over comments about Kirk.
The internet has created the mindset that people can say whatever they want and not face repercussions.
Whether you like Kirk or not, hopefully there will be a recognition that speech has its limits - both ways. He wasn't the President and they have been assassinated for decades. He was an opinionated person.
When you spend time engraving bullets, you have lost the ability to stop and think things through.
and DL, like most companies and organizations, gives employees the freedom to say what you want AS LONG AS YOU NEVER IDENTIFY as their employee
Speech literally does not have limits. That's the entire point of free speech, you prolapsed rectum.
well, yes it most certainly does.
The government cannot limit your speech as a private citizen but employers most certainly can.
the fact that you don't understand the basic concepts of speech - and you are certainly not alone - is why there will be stories of all kinds of people being fired from all kinds of companies over a very opinionated private (not government) individual.
That’s not true. In any democracy, free speech ends where crime begins. Free speech doesn’t give you the right to say anything. If it was the case, pedos, recists, nazis and similar would all be free to promote their “beliefs”. Go to a public square in Germany and preach that they should burn half the jewish population. You’ll be arrested. Go to Brazil and call a black person a monkey in public. You’ll be arrested....
That’s not true. In any democracy, free speech ends where crime begins. Free speech doesn’t give you the right to say anything. If it was the case, pedos, recists, nazis and similar would all be free to promote their “beliefs”. Go to a public square in Germany and preach that they should burn half the jewish population. You’ll be arrested. Go to Brazil and call a black person a monkey in public. You’ll be arrested. That’s not free speech. That’s crime.
Regarding the Charlie Kirk situation, I agree that it’s absurd to punish just the side that doesn’t praise him. This is indeed a violation of free speech. And who would’ve thought that when you disseminate so much immorality, prejudice and violence, all you you get is more immorality, prejudice and violence. I’ll never side with someone who decides to kill someone. But I cringe when I see people who preach so much hate being shocked when they are met with exactly what they preach.
Tim is 100% correct here and you are 100% wrong.
As an outsider (dutch) person looking in - I often see a lot of hypocrisy in American politics or vocal supporters of one party or another.
For example, free speech.
I will read some people that have a large platform make comments that are inflaming or hurtful to segments of the population. And when they are called out the first thing they say is 'free speech'.
And yet, when they are targeted by the opposing...
As an outsider (dutch) person looking in - I often see a lot of hypocrisy in American politics or vocal supporters of one party or another.
For example, free speech.
I will read some people that have a large platform make comments that are inflaming or hurtful to segments of the population. And when they are called out the first thing they say is 'free speech'.
And yet, when they are targeted by the opposing side, they attack the comments being made against them and make calls that x, y ,z post or comment should be removed. Although, free speech? I mean you guys live in a country where people can picket military funerals and chant 'God hates fags'.
The other thing that I think most non-europeans westerns struggle with when observing US politics is just how much religion influences things. Sure, we have it here as well as do most countries where the routes are christianity. But 90% of the population are not interested in hearing about it, so you seldom hear our politicians mention religion in politics. I mean look at Ireland, a devout catholic country - has had a gay prime minister, gay marriage is legal, and of course abortion. Same in Italy, essentially the host nation (kind of) of the world's biggest christian church.
Yet, again with the politicians or influential people that have large platforms in the US - when they talk about religion it again seems to be hypocritical or at least selective. They seem to pick and choose the parts of christian teachings that appeal to them or are useful to them and then ignore others.
Yes the internet is a dark place. And the real world is not much better anymore. Prayers for all the lives lost because of their political views.
It’s also proof you absolutely don’t have free speech in the USA, if you are happy he died.
However if you praise him, you don’t get disciplined? They are only suspending employees who have a different opinion?
Why feel sorry that he had children? Boo hoo. So did Mussolini and Pol Pot.
Comparing Charlie Kirk to Mussolini and Pol Pot just shows you're an unhinged lunatic that merits no dialogue.
@VladG
Kirk bussed in the Proud Boys to the Capitol for the Jan 6 putsch. I feel sympathy for his wife and children, but he wasn't some innocent lamb just speaking his mind. As I recall, he also said shooting deaths were the price of the Second amendment. Seems like karma to me.
Sorry you’re right. Icarus should have compared him to Goebbels and Radio Rwanda, that is actually more apt.
@VladG - in terms of hate speech and global reach, Kirk probably surpassed Mussolini in impact. And yes, I mean that. Deal with it.
Like many, I was happy with the death of a fascist misogynist homophobe
New York Yankees game on 11 September of all days, decided to have a big image of him on a screen an ask people to stand in silence. His wife spoke to remember his legacy.
The US government has said that any foreigners who say anything negative about CK risk being deported. Nancy Mace was screaming about “ trannies “
...Like many, I was happy with the death of a fascist misogynist homophobe
New York Yankees game on 11 September of all days, decided to have a big image of him on a screen an ask people to stand in silence. His wife spoke to remember his legacy.
The US government has said that any foreigners who say anything negative about CK risk being deported. Nancy Mace was screaming about “ trannies “
Nothing to remember the children killed in Minneapolis. The Hortmans.
School shootings are the biggest cause of death to children in the US. 95% of shootings globally are in the US, and CK said a few deaths are worth to keep the second amendment.
Bolsonaro was jailed in Brazil for an insurrection.
The US government is the most dangerous threat to global stability since the 1930s.
If you think someone should be killed for his speech, you're the fascist.
Sure Jan. He spoke how he despised immigrants and lgbtq. People who support him will take his word and go out and commit violence against those groups. You’re so ignorant to believe it was just about speech. Trump, Vance and other members of that cult coerce people to hate.
The US has a vast number of uneducated people who lap it up.
And from a European perspective having family killed by fascism in...
Sure Jan. He spoke how he despised immigrants and lgbtq. People who support him will take his word and go out and commit violence against those groups. You’re so ignorant to believe it was just about speech. Trump, Vance and other members of that cult coerce people to hate.
The US has a vast number of uneducated people who lap it up.
And from a European perspective having family killed by fascism in WW2 know full well how it works. The US government are Christian national fascists.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo!
Based on some of the comments I’ve seen from this low IQ individual over the years, I’m not surprised to see this. I (for once) agree with Tim Dunn’s comment above - When you spend time engraving bullets, you have lost the ability to stop and think things through.
The bullets were not engraved. This was another lie from the MAGA governor of Utah.
You're so full of it I shudder to think what you smell like.
"School shootings are the biggest cause of death to children in the US." False!
I pity the people employed to take care of you in the mental institution you most likely reside in
I wish OMAAT would follow TPG’s lead and disable all comments.
I wish you would just read TPG and stop visiting OMAAT.
Senselessly trolling again Eskimo …. Many who post herein “Wish that you would stop visiting OMAAT”.
Big mouth, tiny wiener = Eskimo
Call me what ever.
You're the NIMBY hypocrite here.
Using the function you wish to eliminate here TWICE!!!!
Exactly why America is broken.
@Ben, what was wrong with my comment?
Before immigration to the US I was working for the biggest airline in Russia, Aeroflot.
Even there I was free to show my opinion on my own social medias about all the bs in the government without any consequences.
Since invasion the things have been changing drastically. But still companies do not give a f if you post something against the government. Only government agencies care about it.
I can’t believe I...
Before immigration to the US I was working for the biggest airline in Russia, Aeroflot.
Even there I was free to show my opinion on my own social medias about all the bs in the government without any consequences.
Since invasion the things have been changing drastically. But still companies do not give a f if you post something against the government. Only government agencies care about it.
I can’t believe I escaped from this country and culture to the ‘most democratic country in the world’ where companies control your posts. I have seen a lot of bs in my country related to expressing your opinion, and I had never been shocked by similar things/actions in this country until now.
P.S. And originally I’m from Belarus. Belavia was the only airline in the region who kicked off people for any unti-government posts. Now DL joined the hell.
Just wait unti the commies/democratic socialists/left wingers win the elections here. It will be just like back home behind the iron curtain, in the evil empire.
The Englishmen, Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web and Charles Babbage the inventor of the digital computer, have much to be proud of.
The USA has so much more to be ashamed of for allowing and leading the world in the misuse of both the computer and the WWW.
The majority of the woke and unashamedly disruptive rhetoric circulating around the WWW, originates from the land of the...
The Englishmen, Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web and Charles Babbage the inventor of the digital computer, have much to be proud of.
The USA has so much more to be ashamed of for allowing and leading the world in the misuse of both the computer and the WWW.
The majority of the woke and unashamedly disruptive rhetoric circulating around the WWW, originates from the land of the not so free USA. Recently it has been proven that one has to be extremely guarded in what one thinks, says and does in the USA currently.
You can bring the cowboy out of the Wild West but you cannot bring the wild, woke gun slinger out of the U.S.
Linking what you consider “woke” with “unashamedly disruptive rhetoric” makes one wonder how much you support free speech. There is a lot of hate coming from both sides right now.
If we are waiting for people or businesses to self-regulate on this one it ain’t gonna happen.
As for Delta, I can’t say for sure if this is the right call or not, but I don’t like what I see here …mainly because I...
Linking what you consider “woke” with “unashamedly disruptive rhetoric” makes one wonder how much you support free speech. There is a lot of hate coming from both sides right now.
If we are waiting for people or businesses to self-regulate on this one it ain’t gonna happen.
As for Delta, I can’t say for sure if this is the right call or not, but I don’t like what I see here …mainly because I don’t know where you draw the line. But, at the end of the day, an at-will employer can terminate any employee for any reason.
There are many Parker, who like me, actually support free speech. However, to do so in certain areas of the world is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. Recent events in Utah have graphically proven why the USA (for example) is not the land of the free …. yes?
Decency towards others, no matter the party or beliefs. A seemingly good man, father and husband was murdered. You don't have to like him or you don't have to agree with him, but he was murdered and his kids no longer have a father.
Until people of all persuasions can go back to seeing that we shouldn't celebrate his murder, the rest is irrelevant.
Thank you for this. After heatedly finishing a comment upthread, I continued reading and found this very poignant sentiment that showed me an element of humanity I lacked just 2 minutes ago.
He was not a good man. He was a terrible person who spent his entire life spreading hate. No one should mourn the wicked.
Freedom of speech should actually mean freedom of consequences, that's the whole point. Otherwise it's not free speech. That said, there are some very clear lines. If you absolutely rejoice over someone's murder, if you're so ecstatic you have to go and make a social media post about it - you're psychotic. We don't allow people not fit for society to participate in it, and we definitely shouldn't allow them to be responsible for someone's...
Freedom of speech should actually mean freedom of consequences, that's the whole point. Otherwise it's not free speech. That said, there are some very clear lines. If you absolutely rejoice over someone's murder, if you're so ecstatic you have to go and make a social media post about it - you're psychotic. We don't allow people not fit for society to participate in it, and we definitely shouldn't allow them to be responsible for someone's wellbeing on a metal tube in the sky. Applies to both sides. If some lunatic leftist got murdered tomorrow (which doesn't happen, but if), I'd absolutely support firing anyone loudly celebrating it. If you don't have very very basic self control, you shouldn't be anywhere near others.
Actually it did happen. Recently, a democratic lawmaker and her husband were killed. Another lawmaker and his wife were also targeted but survived. Both couples were shot in their respective homes. The suspect had a list of dozens of other democratic lawmakers - including sitting US senator and reproductive rights activists. Please don’t gaslight, don’t advertise your ignorance.
The fact is political violence happens on both sides, but it’s also a fact that only one...
Actually it did happen. Recently, a democratic lawmaker and her husband were killed. Another lawmaker and his wife were also targeted but survived. Both couples were shot in their respective homes. The suspect had a list of dozens of other democratic lawmakers - including sitting US senator and reproductive rights activists. Please don’t gaslight, don’t advertise your ignorance.
The fact is political violence happens on both sides, but it’s also a fact that only one side has given the extremism an official platform. Fox news has been doing it for years and now under the orange buffoon, right has made it its official mission.
Yeah, Tim Walz's pal did kill them, and it's tragic. And if anyone openly and cheerfully celebrated their death - they should lose their job, just like I said.
The rest is certifiable gibberish, but that's exactly the point of free speech. I have absolutely no problem with you having an opinion that I think is completely wrong. You should NEVER lose your job over that. But open and gleeful celebration of the death...
Yeah, Tim Walz's pal did kill them, and it's tragic. And if anyone openly and cheerfully celebrated their death - they should lose their job, just like I said.
The rest is certifiable gibberish, but that's exactly the point of free speech. I have absolutely no problem with you having an opinion that I think is completely wrong. You should NEVER lose your job over that. But open and gleeful celebration of the death of another human being is a psychotic episode. And if you have them and can't control them - there are very many things you should be restricted from.
@Syd…”dem on dem” hahahahaha. If Vance was a democrat then Jesse Waters is a hardcore lefty.
@Ole, you keep trying to move away from the key subject matter, so let's get this straight: if someone posts a video where they're absolutely ecstatic over a human being getting killed, they're smiling, laughing and celebrating - should that person be welcome in the polite society? do you want you and your kids to live next to them?
Yeah but that was democrat on democrat crime.
"We don't allow people not fit for society to participate in it"
"Applies to both sides."
This is an example of ig ignorant Karen NIMBY hypocrite pretending to be woke snowflake.
1. Who made you power to determine who's fit or unfit for society.
2. You said both sides yet you completely ignore the side you deem "unfit for society".
dude dude, chill my guy lol, the bartender should cut you off soon. happy to chat in 12 hours. stay hydrated.
@Syd
You are free to say whatever you want. Nobody is stopping you. Only you have control over your own mouth.
“No one better connects the world”
But only if it passes the Ed censorship.
See Ed, if you "really" want to connect the world, you have to accept the best and the worst the connected world has to offer.
Now a private business can do what they want and be as draconian as they please.
But don't be a one sided authoritarian and still claim to connect people. This is like go colonizing but say...
“No one better connects the world”
But only if it passes the Ed censorship.
See Ed, if you "really" want to connect the world, you have to accept the best and the worst the connected world has to offer.
Now a private business can do what they want and be as draconian as they please.
But don't be a one sided authoritarian and still claim to connect people. This is like go colonizing but say you come in peace.
But if Ed wants to mix business with PAC, at least be honest about it and get the prices lower, pass on the benefits to your customers for ever politicians your organization blows.
“But they’ll have a picture or two in uniform somewhere in their feed, and they seemingly don’t realize that this connects them to the company. C’mon, folks, use common sense!”
When you don’t have any issue with what was said about the murder, and instead want to coach people how to avoid getting fired in the future.
There is no free speech on the US, that is such a joke that anyone who had lived there and in another country knows. Employees are not married to corporations/their employers and as long as they don't represent the company in any fashion, most of them do not have any reference to who they work for, they should be left alone and their privacy should be respected. Many social media policies are draconian and plain...
There is no free speech on the US, that is such a joke that anyone who had lived there and in another country knows. Employees are not married to corporations/their employers and as long as they don't represent the company in any fashion, most of them do not have any reference to who they work for, they should be left alone and their privacy should be respected. Many social media policies are draconian and plain ignorant, they wouldn't survive a day on a European Court.
What are you talking about? Free speech only applies to the government punishing you, not a private company deciding they don't want to be associated with you. You want to compare free speech in the U.S. to Europe? Ok, let's do that. An apparently very controversial UK figure was just arrested last week in London for posting WORDS. It is illegal to do a Nazi salute in Germany, or to deny the Holocaust. Switzerland outlaws...
What are you talking about? Free speech only applies to the government punishing you, not a private company deciding they don't want to be associated with you. You want to compare free speech in the U.S. to Europe? Ok, let's do that. An apparently very controversial UK figure was just arrested last week in London for posting WORDS. It is illegal to do a Nazi salute in Germany, or to deny the Holocaust. Switzerland outlaws public homophobia speech. Denmark passed laws 2 years ago desecrating holy texts. None of those things are illegal in the United States, where it is legal to burn the flag, despite what President Pussygrabber says. You don't know what you're talking about.
So you go on to talk about the internet being divisive, then go on to be divisive in explaining that the wrong side is going after people?
What a hot, steaming, pile of shit example of "journalism".
Stick to reporting on airline and hotel loyalty programs.
@ Robert -- Sorry, what?
Fragile, precious snowflake @Robert says: "Stop being divisive, you poster of sTeaMinG piLEs of sHIt. You should stop talking about free speech and about stuff I don't like and instead you need to post about airlines on the blog that you own and I come in to read for free."
with reading comprehension skills like this, it's not hard to see how @Robert arrived at the political views he did
I think you say it very well, and social media has largely become a sewer with a few ponds of fresh water embedded in it which is why most of us still go there. We all have the right to drink sewer water if we want to, but there would be health and reputation consequences if we did. Actions have consequences, and when you post something on social media, the effect in terms of exposure...
I think you say it very well, and social media has largely become a sewer with a few ponds of fresh water embedded in it which is why most of us still go there. We all have the right to drink sewer water if we want to, but there would be health and reputation consequences if we did. Actions have consequences, and when you post something on social media, the effect in terms of exposure is more similar to printing something in a newspaper than having a conversation with a friend at a kitchen table. Expect consequences when you post something online which you wouldn't print in a newspaper or say from a podium. And that goes for all sides.
A MAGA army will report you for not writing nice things about Charlie after his murder, but the same group will reshare Na zi propaganda and even reshare articles from an increasingly mainstream conservative "news" sites that calls for the actual dismantling of the Democratic party and even rounding up their donors and supporters to throw them in prison before being executed.
Biggest bunch of whiniest snowflakes ever.
Exactly. I can guarantee half of the MAGA crowd won't be saying "stop this - the guy had children!" if Jimmy Kimmel or Joe Biden perished...
Please. The "fuck your feelings" crowd went postal on a 12-pack of Bud Light because they saw a man in a dress. They call liberals snowflakes but then lose their shit when they see a rainbow flag or someone tells them "happy holidays".
Well, the upside is that they have more friendly fire incidents than anything else; they're not serious about a civil war, too many Tylers, Luigis, et al for that to work. Every accusation is a confession...Captain Kirk's last words were a cap on black people, and milliseconds later gets clipped from 222m by a fellow gang member. Palestine will always exist, he doesn't.
Ah well, Mr. Sadistic became a statistic...
As long as they're absolutely impartial while doing it, absolutely.
This perfectly captures the most recent decades of world history. Thanks, @Ben.
It was like that for centuries.
You just notice it the most recent decades because the propaganda machine isn't as effective as it used to be. Fewer people got brainwash one sided.
Now people can pick a side to get brainwashed thanks to sophisticated algorithms.
Even Cristiano Ronaldo has almost half as much followers as Jesus.
Go figure.
There are those who contend that if Jesus could have had access to the WWW, back in the day, Christianity would be the only religion today …. I couldn’t possibly comment!