I just had an interesting experience trying to access the Malaysia Airlines Golden Lounge at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, and I’m not sure what exactly to make of it, as I found the enforcement to be a bit odd.
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My Malaysia Airlines lounge access denial
I’m currently on a trip where I’m flying Malaysia Airlines business class from Tokyo Narita (NRT) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL) to Ho Chi Minh City (SGN), with a roughly 15-hour overnight layover in Kuala Lumpur, arriving at 6PM and departing at 9AM (that was the next available flight based on my first segment, and it’s how the airline sold the ticket).
I had booked a room for a 12-hour block at the Sama-Sama Express transit hotel in the terminal, so that I could get some rest. However, upon arrival, I decided to stop by the Malaysia Airlines Golden Lounge. My idea was just to have somewhere to sit for an hour or so to work, to avoid going into my room and falling asleep immediately.
When I presented my boarding pass, the conversation went something like this, with the agent not even scanning my boarding pass:
Lounge agent: “I’m sorry, your flight is tomorrow, you can’t yet access the lounge.”
Me: “Oh, I’m in transit, I just landed from Tokyo Narita… I thought I would get lounge access during the connection? I don’t plan to sleep here, I have a transit hotel in the terminal booked.”
Lounge agent: “You can only use the lounge on the day of departure, it’s a new rule.”
Me: “Okay, sorry, I didn’t know. So visiting any time on the same calendar day is fine?”
Lounge agent: “No, you can visit the lounge up to three hours before departure.”
Me: “Even on a connection, lounge access isn’t allowed more than three hours before departure?”
Lounge agent: “Yes, I’m sorry.”
I found that a bit odd. I totally understand that the airline doesn’t want people sleeping in the lounge, and I also understand if the rule was that you could only access the lounge on the same calendar day (though at most carriers in the region, lounge access is provided for the entire duration of a sold connection).
However, I found it strange that the airline supposedly has a three-hour lounge access restriction even for connecting passengers. It’s common for airlines to have a three-hour rule for originating passengers, but that’s almost always waived if you’re on a connection.
I left the lounge and headed to my hotel room. Out of curiosity, I then pulled up Malaysia Airlines’ terms & conditions. The only mention I saw of the three-hour rule was in reference to purchasing lounge access:
Lounge Access is purchased on an individual basis, restricted to one-time entry per passenger for a maximum duration of three (3) hours before flight departure. The lounge access will be indicated on the boarding pass with the ‘LOUG’ indicator.
I then looked at some anecdotal online reports about lounge access, and the common wisdom seems to be that access more than three hours out is at the discretion of the particular lounge agent.
With that knowledge, I decided to return to the lounge at 4AM, around five hours before departure, and the agent scanned my boarding pass and let me in without thinking twice.
I respect the policy, I’d just like to know what it is!
I’m not trying to take advantage of anything I’m not entitled to, so it’s always a bit odd to me when airlines don’t actually clearly publish what their policies are for lounge access:
- If lounge access is restricted for those on connections, it would be nice if the terms reflected that (unless I’m missing something?)
- If the airline wants to say that connections over X hours aren’t entitled to lounge access until a certain amount of time before departure, that’s reasonable, but it would just be nice to know what the rule is
- If the carrier’s intended policy is to actually restrict lounge access to three hours before departure on connecting itineraries, then the airline has one of the strictest lounge access policies of any airline I’ve seen, and that’s something connecting passengers should be aware of (like if you have a five-hour connection)
So at least based on my experience, this is an unusual example of frontline agents having discretion. The first agent never even tried to scan my boarding pass, as I suspect the system wouldn’t have prevented access. Meanwhile the second agent had no issues doing so around five hours before departure, and I was let in without issue.
Bottom line
I’m usually pretty good at understanding airline lounge access policies. In the case of Malaysia Airlines, I had an unusual experience in Kuala Lumpur, as the policy simply wasn’t clearly published. I had a long layover in Kuala Lumpur, and was told that lounge access is only allowed three hours before departure, even on connections.
However, I then tried later on, and had no issues accessing the lounge five hours before departure. Based on online reports, it would seem that agents have a lot of discretion. I don’t mind whatever the rule is, I just think it should be published.
Have you ever experienced an airline lounge access policy like this, which just isn’t clear?
Last week I also flew Malaysia Airlines NRT-KUL, arriving at 5am with a connecting flight at 10am. Went straight to the lounge and had no issues!
More alert .well trained.helpfull staffs from the begining (check-in) till disembark shud be employed.
Which means conduct in house trainings regurlarly.
Sometimes last year, My wife & I were on business class on emirates flight from KLIA to Tiblisi.with stopover in Dubai. We went into the business class lounge without problem. However on our return flight from Baku to KL with stopover in Dubai, we were denied into the lounge because our business class is not entitled to the lounge. We were puzzled..to us business class is business class whether it is Z class or other...
Sometimes last year, My wife & I were on business class on emirates flight from KLIA to Tiblisi.with stopover in Dubai. We went into the business class lounge without problem. However on our return flight from Baku to KL with stopover in Dubai, we were denied into the lounge because our business class is not entitled to the lounge. We were puzzled..to us business class is business class whether it is Z class or other types of class. That was the last time we took Emirates! Also we hate the terminal transfer from terminal 1 to 2! It was a nightmare !
Trip back from Melbourne by MH, by business class. Arrived KLIA about afternoon, transit to Penang after 11pm. Exit the airport and took the lift to the Departure Level. Make a mistake, not going through the transit counters. Refuse entry, unless 3 hours before depparture. No choice, but to seek MAS counter assistance. Ask to show business lounge reciept. Theier is no such receipt issued by loung. After left standing and new departure ticket being...
Trip back from Melbourne by MH, by business class. Arrived KLIA about afternoon, transit to Penang after 11pm. Exit the airport and took the lift to the Departure Level. Make a mistake, not going through the transit counters. Refuse entry, unless 3 hours before depparture. No choice, but to seek MAS counter assistance. Ask to show business lounge reciept. Theier is no such receipt issued by loung. After left standing and new departure ticket being issued, only than allow to enter. Straight to lounge, allow to enter, even flight to depart more than 3 hours. An expperience with an increase anxiety.
Im malaysian,and frequent flyer for malaysia airlines...thats true you can not access golden lounge when you arrived,you can use the golden lounge the next day,it means after 12 midnight...about policy 3 hours i never heard this,you can use lounge as long as u want but on the same date of your departureflight ticket...i called malaysia airlines customer service and discuss about this issue last year
That's very odd, bcs I managed to get in despite my flight being the next day - my situation was, bkk-kl-doh, my bkk flight in the evening arnd 8pm, and my kl-doh flight @2am the next day.
I feel like they shouldn't do this especially for connecting passengers
Why would you return at 4 a.m. just to text the policy? In any event, you were probably the only one in there.
Wow! Did u expect to stay there for 10-15 hours? Imagine if every lounge guest did that? I can't believe I read this article
He told the lounge guy he had a hotel room booked.
I totally agree. It s because too many travelers wanna hanged there for stupid reasons ( i.e. free food and drinks all dayy or have a shower for fun ) that soon, we won t be able to access them anymore when it's really needed.
You clearly didn’t read the article though because the author mentions having a hotel booking.
Sorry, but there are many lazy little Napoleons in Malaysia. Trying to show off their power but yet laziness capabilities. That's Malaysia.... Welcome to Malaysia.
Either way, it’s still a crap lounge
The Golden Lounge isn't worth it for the food/drink anyway. Was hugely disappointed when I visited in December.
Malaysia celebrates Lunua New Year (Feb 17). It is a major public holiday and peak travel period.
I think the Oneworld rules in general do not provide for lounge access on arrival (except the very few arrival lounges, of course). Given your departing flight was only next day, I think this explains why you were denied.
The three hour rule, however, is not a Oneworld rule. It usually only exists for paid or Priority Pass entries. In my view you can insist on Oneworld rules for same day transit, even if it is more than 3 hours.
My experience with Malaysia Airlines Lounges access rules: Make up as you go along.
I always come in on transit from International to Domestic and always get denied access.
Every time I point out to the OneWorld rules that says any flight, they let me in.
If in doubt, ask the lounge agent to show you on their website on their terms and conditions what exactly the rules are. Then you’re both on the same page. I had this a few years back on a F ticket booked on BA from LHR with an onward connection on AA from JFK. At first they wouldn’t let me into Flagship First dining. On the AA website terms and conditions it clearly stated that...
If in doubt, ask the lounge agent to show you on their website on their terms and conditions what exactly the rules are. Then you’re both on the same page. I had this a few years back on a F ticket booked on BA from LHR with an onward connection on AA from JFK. At first they wouldn’t let me into Flagship First dining. On the AA website terms and conditions it clearly stated that any Oneworld ticket in F gets access (although not many are aware of this). I asked the lounge agent to pull up the T&Cs for the airline she worked for and then try to explain why I couldn’t get access. She had to admit she was wrong and in I went to Flagship Dining. Just be polite and phrase as you’re trying to understand why the agent is saying something against what is clearly published.
Never had issues and had some very long connections between India and Australia.
Not that it makes much of a difference but I don’t feel that it’s a particularly nice lounge to spend a very long time at. Other than long connections, I can’t imagine anyone arriving to the airport early just for that very ordinary lounge (meh food, poor drinks, showers could benefit from some love, sitting nowhere near sufficient)
I get the3 hour rule if it was a peak time and busy. Otherwise they could make an exception. Many airlines restrict paid lounge access to - 3hrs before, however not for eligible passengers.
Strange. Don’t they even have some sort of a sleeping rooms in the Platinum lounge section? I spent the night there in the past on 2 or 3 occasions. Also did your ticket with overnight layover not qualify for free STPC (hotel provided by the airline)?
If Malaysian would have a 3 hour rule for transit it wouldn’t be „reasonable“ Orin my opinion. Unless I have a night over I expect to use the lounge.
Once I had similar issues, I was about to fly form KUL to SYD in Philippines airlines business class, but the MNL-SYD segment was cancelled, so they didn’t even let me to check in for the first segment. After waiting 2 hours in front of Philippines Airlines’ check in area, they got us rebooked to MH, but that flight was about to depart 10h later. At the MH lounge, they didn’t want to let us...
Once I had similar issues, I was about to fly form KUL to SYD in Philippines airlines business class, but the MNL-SYD segment was cancelled, so they didn’t even let me to check in for the first segment. After waiting 2 hours in front of Philippines Airlines’ check in area, they got us rebooked to MH, but that flight was about to depart 10h later. At the MH lounge, they didn’t want to let us in, but after explaining the situation, about why we got there 10 hours earlier, they were kind enogh to admit us right away.
I was just there a day ago, had a 4 hour transit and no problem, for the party of 3 , 2 had access and we payed for the third person. No issues at all will 4 hours.
They have a sleeping room, .... no point for a quick stop? Odd
First of all, congratulations on becoming famous in the Malaysia Airlines Facebook fan club. Ignore the usual die-hard defenders in the comments. What happened to you is not rare at all. It’s normal. I’ve been Enrich Platinum for years. One thing I learned very early: whatever is written in the rules doesn’t really matter. The real rule is whatever the staff on duty feel like enforcing that day. If they say yes, it’s yes. If...
First of all, congratulations on becoming famous in the Malaysia Airlines Facebook fan club. Ignore the usual die-hard defenders in the comments. What happened to you is not rare at all. It’s normal. I’ve been Enrich Platinum for years. One thing I learned very early: whatever is written in the rules doesn’t really matter. The real rule is whatever the staff on duty feel like enforcing that day. If they say yes, it’s yes. If they say no, it’s no. End of story. No appeal, no logic, no consistency.
My favourite experience? I walked into the Platinum Lounge and wanted to pop over to the Golden Lounge next door literally next door, can see it with your own eyes. The answer I got was Enrich Platinum members can only use the Platinum Lounge, cannot use the Golden Lounge. What the actual fuck lol. Same building. Two doors apart. But somehow different planet.
The honest reality is this kind of thing can continue because it’s protected. There isn’t much premium competition locally, and on Facebook you’ll always have Malaysia Airlines fanboys ready to defend anything, no matter how questionable. When nobody is pressured to improve, why would they?
Not sure about that, I always use the platinum/ first class lounge and use the door at located at the back left to use the smoking room in the gold lounge.
The gold staff ways let me back through to the first lounge.
That's my point exactly. I have done the same perhaps hundreds of times, but the fact that an single occurrence could happen is...disdaunting at best, and simply poses the issue that lounge attendants can do whatever that wish to do
The T&Cs you copied mention paid lounge access. This is commonly restricted to three hours. In case of accessing the lounge on the basis of cabin class or oneworld status, you can enter anytime on the day of departure, connection or not.
The agent was correct to deny access the day before travel, but they made a mistake when explaining the rules by mentioning the 3 hours limit that does not apply to your situation.
I had a 6 hour transit in Kuala Lumpur last weekend and used this lounge then. But I arrived at 6am and next flight at midday. It's probably to do with it being the day before (technically)
There are a couple things to note.
Oneworld rules state "Access is available on the day of travel (or before 06:00am the following day), at the airport from which the oneworld flight on which the eligible customer is travelling departs" and MH mostly enforce this rule so entering after midnight is ok.
The 3 hour rules is a local policy and they do have some discretion but it's clearly listed on their website...
There are a couple things to note.
Oneworld rules state "Access is available on the day of travel (or before 06:00am the following day), at the airport from which the oneworld flight on which the eligible customer is travelling departs" and MH mostly enforce this rule so entering after midnight is ok.
The 3 hour rules is a local policy and they do have some discretion but it's clearly listed on their website under the section on the Golden Lounge. Let know if you can't find it.
I just flew CMN-JFK-SFO in business class. CMN-JFK was on Royal Air Maroc. JFK-SFO was AA. I had to visit 4 different American operated lounges at JFK until one of them let me in.
Another time I was flying SFO-LAX-LHR in business class. All operated by AA. Ingrid to visit the BA lounge at SFO and they denied entry because my initial flight from SFO was domestic.
Another time I flew FRA-SFO in business...
I just flew CMN-JFK-SFO in business class. CMN-JFK was on Royal Air Maroc. JFK-SFO was AA. I had to visit 4 different American operated lounges at JFK until one of them let me in.
Another time I was flying SFO-LAX-LHR in business class. All operated by AA. Ingrid to visit the BA lounge at SFO and they denied entry because my initial flight from SFO was domestic.
Another time I flew FRA-SFO in business on United and LH refused lounge access.
The rules are just seemingly random.
Rules are not random.
You've mistaken incompetent enforcement by authoritarian dragon on a power trip for de facto rules.
Like all airline employees, they're just never accountable for breaking their employers rules. Because unless you film them with pants on fire, their word, their notation, their version of the story is what happened and you're wrong.
Strange,
In the past, I have flown DOH-KUL arriving into KUL in the evening while in transit to MNL. Even with a 9AM flight KUL-MNL I am allowed into the first class lounge (OW Emerald) where I am offered a day bed in the sleeping room. Never any drama.
I wouldn't be surprised that the rules under which the receptionists operate is 1) don't let them in the night before (we don't want them sleeping here) and 2) don't enforce the 3 hour rule unless the club is busy.
Exactly, it seems extremely obvious.
There is a bit of a cultural element here (I am Malaysian) where there is how things are written and how they are enforced.
So the policy is you can stay for 3 hours (not 3 hour before your flight) and only on the calendar day of the outgoing flight. I'm not totally sure what's the policy for very early flights.
But agents have discretion to let you in once that day comes around. This is viewed as being good customer service.
Your experience is a reflection of how many things work in Malaysia - a vague and often mistaken idea on the ground of the actual rules / policy / law; a reluctance to understand deeper if challenged; and laziness in often manual enforcement (3 hours or 5 hours or 8 hours… too much work to count in the mind…) It’s best not to get too hung up about things written and one’s rights in Malaysia...
Your experience is a reflection of how many things work in Malaysia - a vague and often mistaken idea on the ground of the actual rules / policy / law; a reluctance to understand deeper if challenged; and laziness in often manual enforcement (3 hours or 5 hours or 8 hours… too much work to count in the mind…) It’s best not to get too hung up about things written and one’s rights in Malaysia - it can often work in one’s favour, it can also be deeply frustrating when it doesn’t. Malaysia Boleh… anything goes in Malaysia!
Don't fly Malaysian Airlines
I am a Malaysian. Generally most airport lounges only allow access 3 to 4 hours prior to your flight. I always check the individual lounges policy prior to flying. It varies. Do check before flying.
These rules are not rigid. If the lounge is not crowded the front counter will allow you in even if your flight is departing in 5 or 6 hours. Flexibility is a sign of good customer service.
Not sure what you mean with generally most lounges… maybe independent lounges like Priority Pass or Plaza premium… oneworld lounge access rules are clear, day of departure boarding pass needed to enter, without limit on time, with the understanding that flights leaving shortly after midnight, technically you can enter the calendar day before.
In a few months time I’ll be taking the exact same flight arriving in KL then head to SIN the next morning, and was thinking of spending some time in the lounge on arrival. Will see how it goes.
I just checked the MH website (a different page from the one Ben has linked).
It does explicitly mentions that max stay is 3hrs in the Golden Lounge, in addition to not allowing any overnight stay and that the stay is only limited to the day of departure.
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Terms Conditions
1. Who Can Access
The Golden Lounge is open to Malaysia Airlines passengers travelling in Business Suite or Business Class, as well...
I just checked the MH website (a different page from the one Ben has linked).
It does explicitly mentions that max stay is 3hrs in the Golden Lounge, in addition to not allowing any overnight stay and that the stay is only limited to the day of departure.
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Terms Conditions
1. Who Can Access
The Golden Lounge is open to Malaysia Airlines passengers travelling in Business Suite or Business Class, as well as Enrich Platinum and Enrich Gold members. Access is also extended to oneworld Emerald and oneworld Sapphire members, and to passengers flying in First Class or Business Class on any oneworld airlines.
One guest is permitted and must register at the lounge together with the Enrich Platinum or Enrich Gold cardholder, and both must be traveling on the same flight and date.
Lounge access entitlement for Platinum Companion will no longer be extended to their guest.
2. When You Can Access
Lounge access is available on the day of your flight departure only.
3. Before Your Flight
You’re welcome to enjoy the Golden Lounge up to 3 hours before your scheduled departure time.
4. Overnight Access
Please note that overnight stays are not permitted in the lounge.
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Looks like general OW rules do not apply.
Source: malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/experience/lounge.html
From Hiro's reply, the rule seems extremely clear... same day only. I wonder if Ben only checked Gemini or any other AI tool? My Gemini pro gave the wrong answer.
This restrictive policy for a business class ticket is definitely not encouraging a person to fly MAS.
If they don't change their policies with regards the use of the business lounge with a businesses class ticket, it's probably wiser to fly with some other airline.
Ben, neither you or the agent were right about the access policy.
OneWorld lounge access rules, as stated in their website, allow a traveller to access a lounge:
A) On the same day of travel as your boarding pass
OR
B) On the day before ONLY if your flight departs before 6am the day after.
As your flight departed at 9am on the following day, you didn't meet neither rules when you tried...
Ben, neither you or the agent were right about the access policy.
OneWorld lounge access rules, as stated in their website, allow a traveller to access a lounge:
A) On the same day of travel as your boarding pass
OR
B) On the day before ONLY if your flight departs before 6am the day after.
As your flight departed at 9am on the following day, you didn't meet neither rules when you tried to access on the day before marked on your boarding pass.
If you had waited to 00:00h, then you would have gotten access by rule A).
@Alex You are pointing out Oneworld lounge access but I think Ben is asking about the actual airline rules and he says it is not on their website.
Lounge access anywhere should be a binary decision made by a computer, overridden by human receptionists only in extenuating IRROPS.
It’s not a fair burden to put on receptionists to know rules that frequently change and involve coordination between alliance partners and whatnot.
Just let me scan my credential(s) until I get a green light.
Bah!
This is really just the case of policy vs enforcement.
At the end of the day, lounges are staffed by humans, and how they deal with situations ends up being based on how they're trained and a lot of the time how they feel on the day. That's why they can get things wrong.
There shouldn't be any restrictions for connections like this afaik. I've used this exact lounge for 6+ hours before on a late night 11pm outbound flight before.
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